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Chad Karnitz

 

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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 8:16 pm    
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Help!!! When I engage the E to Eb lever, my 6th string B to C# raise goes 1/2 step flat. Any ideas? The guitar is an early Emmons LeGrande.
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Paul Sutherland

 

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Placerville, California
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 8:36 pm    
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Are you sure you mean the sixth string? Don't you mean the fifth string? On a normal E9 tuning the B string, which gets raised to C# by both the A and C floor pedals, is the fifth string.
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Chad Karnitz

 

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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 8:46 pm    
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Yeah, you're right, I mean the fifth string.
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Paul Sutherland

 

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Placerville, California
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 8:54 pm    
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Are you saying that the B goes down in pitch to about a Bb when the E to Eb lever is engaged?

Or is the problem that when you have the A & B floor pedals depressed, and then you bring in that knee lever, that the fifth string goes down from C# to about a C?

Or third option; are you saying that when the knee lever is engaged, and then you press the A (& B) floor pedal(s), that the fifth string only goes up to about a C, not all the way up to C#?
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Lane Gray


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Topeka, KS
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 8:58 pm    
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Watch the fingers of the 5th string. Does its lowering part move (something hanging up) or not (an odd manifestation of Cabinet drop)
If you have either a Franklin pedal or A# lever, watch the nylon nuts that lower 5. If they move, will finge pressure hold them still?
The nature of the fault will indicate the cure
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Chad Karnitz

 

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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 9:06 pm    
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It depends what you do first. If you engage the E to Eb, the C# raise won't fully happen. If you do pedals first, the E to Eb lower won't happen. I have a related post with a picture of my changer fingers some of which are popped out. Something's funny here....
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 9:10 pm    
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It looks a little grimy. Money on a couple drops of oil fixing it.
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Paul Sutherland

 

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Placerville, California
Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 9:14 pm    
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What you have been calling the changer fingers, I would call the tuning nuts. To see the changer fingers, and how they move, you need to turn the guitar upside down and shine a bright light on the changer. Then work the pedals and levers and see if anything if hanging up, which seems likely, as Lane suggests. Could be just a lubrication issue.

By the way, did you happen to recently try to take the slack out of any pedals or levers?
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Chad Karnitz

 

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Post  Posted 20 Aug 2014 9:25 pm    
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I'm guessing this is part of the problem?

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