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My buddy Mike sent me some photos he took of my Steels.

'figured I should share...



I'm a lucky guy.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 December 2002 at 03:41 PM.]</p></FONT>

Wow! You got 2 of 'em, and they both belonged to a former president! (LOL!)

Hi Joey:
Looks like a Sho-Bud fret board on
the green guitar?

NICE, Joey! That green one must be a hybrid!
(fretboard)

Joey, is that a "Franklin Pedal" on the green Carter ? Did you put on the Sho-Bud fretboard ? Just curious, thanks, Martin

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Martin W. Emmons LG III 3/5 Peavy 1000

That Sho Bud fret board kind of dresses the green carter up. Nice set of guitars there.

Joey, those are nice, whats the 4th pedal do on the E9th, I drop my 5th 1/2 tone on my far left and other 3 are standard, I'm not sure the accoustics in that room would be real good though

Thanks for the comments.

The Fingerboard on the Green one is a Sho- Bud. We placed it there as a joke, and it looked so good I kept it on. It's attached with double-sided tape over the original.

It can be easily removed.

The 4th pedal is my "Faux-C6th Pedal". I used to have a "Franklin Pedal" there but moved it to my vertical Knee Lever.

The "Faux-C6th Pedal" gives me a CEGACEG on strings 9 thru 3, used with a KL.

The D10 was Al Brisco's main axe for the last 3+ years. My wife, Sally surprized me with it at Al's last picnic !!! It will be four years old in November.

You can see Al playing it here: http://www.steelguitarcanada.com/img/ISGC2K1/5.jpg
and here
http://www.steelguitarcanada.com/img/peg2002.jpg <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 27 August 2002 at 03:24 PM.]</p></FONT>

Hasn't Al noticed it's missing yet?

I saw Al playing that guitar at the Steeldays 2000 over here in Holland. You've got a guitar with airmiles.

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Steelin' Greetings
Marco Schouten
Sho-Bud Pro III Custom; Sho-Bud LLG

Yep, that guitar has played some great shows.

My Nash 400 belonged to PeeWee Charles, so it's seen a lot of great shows too.

Hope these guys don't catch up with me.

<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 27 August 2002 at 03:18 PM.]</p></FONT>

Joey
I am so jealous. You have two beautimus
steels. I'm the color of the SD10.

<SMALL>The "Faux-C6th Pedal" gives me a CEGACEA on strings 9 thru 3, used with a KL.</SMALL>

Okay, I'll bite. What does the pedal actually do? Which knee lever do you use with it?

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Sorry, b0b, there's a typo that I just corrected. It should be C E G A C E G, low to high, starting on string 9.

My RKL raises strings 1 and 7 from F# to G.
That's a rather standard change.
(It also has a half stop that raises String 1 to G#.)

<UL>The "Faux C6" pedal:
[*]Lowers String 9 from D to C
[*]Raises String 6 from G# to A
[*]Raises String 5 from B to C
[*]Lowers String 3 from G# to G
[/list]

Since 4 strings are being moved by one pedal, it's rather stiff.

I don't pump it. I just hold it down, with RKL engaged. I then pretend to have a C6 lap steel tuned C E G A C E G, low to high, on strings 9 thru 3 .

Don E. Curtis has a book of 4 Swing Tunes for C6 Non-Pedal. It was when I was working thru these tunes on my real lap steel that I got the idea to make a C6 setup on my E9 PSG.
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 December 2002 at 03:44 PM.]</p></FONT>

Joey,
What's the advantage of this pedal change as opposed to lowering the E's and having the C6 at your first fret? It's the very same inversion at the first fret as the standard C6 except you skip the 9th string.

A variant on Frank's post would be to lower the 9th string D>B and lower the 10th string B>A. Puts less stuff on the pedal, gives you straight B6, and gives you the b7 on the bottom. Just a thought.

Probably not much, Frank.
I suppose it's equal to the advantage the ShoBud fretboard has over the original Carter.

That 4th pedal of mine has always been experimental. It's function changes as I get "bright" ideas.

Al's called it my "pedal of the month". That's not really true. I've had this change for several months.

I only explained it here because people asked.

Joey, what pickup do you have on the SD10?
(The Car-Bud) or (The Sho-Car)
Nice looking guitars!!
Tony

WOW! Those are great looking Axes "ACE". Think I'll order me one in St. Louie. I knew a guy over in Palmyra that used to have two Carters. . . .one was Red and the other was Plank Maple mica. Both were D-10's. But they both had that Carter tone. He eventually got rid of them and upgraded to an Emmons LeGrande II. NR

The real thing is just a click away:
http://personal.bellsouth.net/bna/a/m/am1070/page13.html

<SMALL>"He eventually got rid of them and upgraded to an .."</SMALL>

Here we go with the "mine is better than yours nonsense", attempt to hijack a post.

It's important to remember that only one of all the above 19 posts sunk to this level.

I'll prove I'm the better by ignoring it.
(please do the same)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>"what pickup do you have on the SD10?"
- Tony</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<UL>
[*]George L TPP on the SD-10
[*]George L Tommy White's on the D-10
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>My RKL raises strings 1 and 7 from F# to G.
That's a rather standard change.
(It also has a half stop that raises String 1 to G#.)</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How does this work?
The RKL RAISES string one 1/2 step-
Yet the half stop raises it 1/2 MORE?!?
What the ...

As far as Dick Weed's typical comment, don't let it get to ya. An inbred moron (just look at the guy) with more dollars than sense.
I've watched his attitude w/a mixture of humor and pathos over the years. Hasn't a clue but thinks he knows it all cuz someone whose boots he licks told him to think that way. An obvious piece of sh*t...
Let 'im wallow...

OK Marty, you caught me. Technically it might not be a "half stop" but I think of it that way.

Here's the full description:

The RKL raises the F# strings (1 & 7).
String 7's rod is tuned to stop at G.
String 1's rod is tuned to stop at G#.

When String 7 reaches the end of it's travel, string one is pretty close to a G also. I can "feel" the stop in the KL.

I say "pretty close" because some movement of the bar or KL might be needed to get a true G on string one. It's an ear thing.

If I continue to press the RKL past the "felt" stop, string 7 stays at G, but string 1 raises to G#.

Easier to do than explain.

Joey,
doesn´t that Sho~Bud fretboard cause slight intonation problems? Sho~Buds are usually 24" scale and Carters somewhat longer.
What I really find interesting is that pseudo C6 pedal. My first thought was, one should evaluate the possibility of combining this with a locking mechanism. You then could add four more pedals for the C6 changes and would have a 10 string universal that´s an interesting alternative to the usual E9/B6. Of course, those universal players who emphasize the harmonic relationship between E9 and B6 and consider it as "one big tuning" will probably not agree. This is getting a bit off the topic, maybe we should start another thread about "alternative universal tunings" some time.

Regards, Joe H.

Well Joe, if I was to go that far I could also add another neck to where the pad is.

This "Faux C6" thing was just a quick and easy trick. I miss the LOW strings of real C6.

The Carter and Bud Frets aligned perfectly.(Bud-Carter?? )
I had to shave about 1/8 inch of plastic off the Bud's "Zero Fret" end to make it fit.

The Carter Scale Lenght is 24".
I believe Sho-Bud's varied between 24 1/2", 24 1/4" and 24". I used a 24". <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 December 2002 at 03:45 PM.]</p></FONT>

Joey, you got a Couple of very nice guitars there. Pretty too and easy on the old back. How many knee levers on them?...al