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Topic: Sixth string wound or plain? |
Niels Andrews
From: Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 12:06 pm
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My Millennium came with a wound sixth string which is how Reece set it up, but I notice most string sets you purchase have a plain 6th. Can anybody shine some light on this? _________________ Die with Memories. Not Dreams.
Good Stuff like Zum S-12, Wolfe Resoport
MSA SS-12, Telonics Combo. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 12:15 pm
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Personal preference. I do believe that most of the players do use a plain string. But, many also use the wound string. The reason I see the most is for tuning stability is better with a wound string. I have tried them over the years and didn't find them any more stable than a plain. Some like the sound of a wound better than a plain. I happen not to. And some guitars won't lower a wound 6th to F# that some of us have on their guitars. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 12:49 pm
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I prefer the tone and the stability of the wound. My Zum can JUST drop to F#, but it's a mighty throw. _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 1:19 pm
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I prefer wound but I do not lower my 6th string. _________________ Bob |
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Niels Andrews
From: Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 1:40 pm
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Bob, do you not use that string for a half step raise? _________________ Die with Memories. Not Dreams.
Good Stuff like Zum S-12, Wolfe Resoport
MSA SS-12, Telonics Combo. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 2:45 pm
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My .022 plain I use stays pretty stable. Never have to tr-tune during a gig (except before the gig starts). _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 3:10 pm
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I'm a beginner and I have a wound 6th on my ancient pull-release No-Name steel, simply because that's what was on it when I acquired it, I like it, I don't lower it, and I haven't been tempted to try a plain one.
I like how when you play on the bottom five strings you get a distinct bass tone that contrasts with the upper strings - and then I've read opinions that a plain string blends better (i.e. contrast not desired) - so clearly it's down to what sounds you're trying to achieve. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Ron Pruter
From: Arizona, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 8:41 pm
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Do to the thinner core, you may find a lower output with a wound. A wound also helps reduce the ill effects of cabinet drop on that string. You will have to make some adjustments if you exchange one type for the other. _________________ Emmons SKH Le Grande, '73 Fender P/J bass, Tick tack bass, Regal high strung, USA Nashville 112. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 14 Dec 2013 9:27 pm
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Niels Andrews wrote: |
Bob, do you not use that string for a half step raise? |
I do raise that string a half step. I find the wound string to be a bit more stable. Has a nice full growl to it also. _________________ Bob |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 6:09 am
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Growl - that's the word! _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Niels Andrews
From: Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 6:25 am
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Hey Richard,
I was thinking about that lowering of the sixth string on E9. Do you just use it to get another minor on those grips or for a flat 3rd playing melodies? _________________ Die with Memories. Not Dreams.
Good Stuff like Zum S-12, Wolfe Resoport
MSA SS-12, Telonics Combo. |
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Lane Gray
From: Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 7:13 am
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If I take it to G, it's usually as 7 to A. I usually use it as a bend to F#. _________________ 2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Jack Stoner
From: Kansas City, MO
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 7:52 am
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I lower my 6th string a full tone (G# to F#) with a half tone split with the "B" pedal.
Along with the minor on the half tone drop, that can also be a "minor 9th" that I use on some old rock songs. e.g. strings 4, 5, 6(1/2 tone lower) is the same as a minor ninth chord on a guitar fretting the E,B,G strings - or at the fifth fret it would be a D minor Ninth (some just call it a Ninth chord).
Lowering a full tone and lowering the E string(s) produces a "5" chord. e.g. at the 5th fret open is A, lowering the E's to Eb and the 6th string a full tone produces an E chord. Thus you can get the steel 5 to 1 ending lick from the open 1 chord position without moving the bar. |
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Georg Sørtun
From: Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 8:42 am
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I switched from plain to wound 6th some 20 years ago as I started using straight steel picks (and steel thumb pick). Plain 6th did not sound "in place" as I developed my new picking style with steel picks, while a wound 6th sounded just right. Still do, so I use wound 6th on all my PSGs for tone.
Lovering a wound 6th a full note has not been a big problem on any of my steels, but how easy it is to get full throw (and a little more for split-tuning) on specific PSG brands, varies slightly with string-brand - some string-brands have less "give" on a wound 6th than others.
Regarding stability / detuning: on my 2 Dekley (S10 & D10) plain or wound 6th doesn't matter, they are stable no matter what. My MSA S12U and GFI Sd10 detune a bit too much for my liking with plain 6th, but are fine with wound 6th. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 15 Dec 2013 8:52 am
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Niels Andrews wrote: |
Hey Richard,
I was thinking about that lowering of the sixth string on E9. Do you just use it to get another minor on those grips or for a flat 3rd playing melodies? |
I use it mostly for he 7th of the pedals down position, and by itself for licks, and finally I use it with the E - D# lever to get the same chord 2 frets down from the A & B pedal position. Same chord different inversion, and you can get some cool melody movement between those 2 positions. I never use it for the minor. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Larry Bressington
From: Nebraska
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Posted 19 Dec 2013 8:11 pm
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I'm still switching back and forth...I don't do any lowers on the 6th, it makes for a tight n solid tuning especially for live work summer outdoor gigs etc. it's a nice move to have but I prefer to work the mojo elsewhere..plain sounds smoother but wound holds better! _________________ A.K.A Chappy. |
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