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Topic: Sho~Bud Pot Metal Question |
Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 9:08 am |
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In the picture below (taken from a for sale item (with the poster's permission). If you notice, it is a later Super~Pro undercarriage, meaning pot metal parts. Take a look at the left knee left. It is mounted at an angle like the older rack and barrel or 2 hole puller guitars, without pot metal parts. I always assumed they were at an angle because our left knee would usually hit the lever in an arc that would make the knee hit the lever at an backwards angle, causing the knee lever bracket to break. This is the only place I would break brackets when I had my Super~Pro. My Super~Pro, and others I have seen, have all the cross rods go the full width of the guitar making putting the lever at an angle, making it impossible to put that cross rod at an angle and have the bellcranks Line up to have the pull rods be able to go in a straight line to the changer, although I guess the end of the rod that goes in the bellcrank could be bent differently to fit in the bellcrank .
My question is , why would Sho~Bud stop putting that lever's cross rod at an angle like the guitar below has? I really didn't want to add another shorter cross rod and angle it, thus needing a linkage to the cross rod with the bell cranks.
This pic is from a Pro 2 Custom recently for sale here. So, they obviously knew about the potential for that lever to have breakage problems. As I said, they even did this on the teardrop lever guitars.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 9:56 am
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Here's what I did on mine rich... I re did mine so that the cross shaft is straight, I then put the knee lever at the other end of the cross shaft, so that the lever was about four more inches towards the center of the guitar. This was a great improvement, as I could feel the lever with more sensitivity the closer to the knee.. As you know the further away from the knee the less feel you have and the more pressure, and if you have any half stops on lever you definitely want to closer to the Knee as possible.
There is enough adjustment in that black connector for the Pull rod and of course you have to drill some fresh holes for the Hex hold downs. There was definitely weak issue no doubt about it... I replace mine with marrs alloys , never had any more probs.
Happy thanksgiving brothers!
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 10:13 am
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Yup. My Carter has 2 left knee left levers, and the E to D# is the lever closest to the front of the guitar, and is about halfway from front to back. The second lever is about 2" back and a little to the left of the first knee lever. The E to D# lever touches the end of my knee. When I move my knee back to hit the second lever, it also contacts the end of my knee. This setup makes it so the arc of the left knee is minimal and not an issue. The Super-Pro was a problem for me. I wish I would of known about people making the brackets out of aluminum stock, or doing what you did. I probably would have kept (except when I bought my Carter, the now ex wife "made" me sell my Super-Pro and my Kline - should have sold her).
Mine didn't have the connector rod with the black swivels. So, I would had had to find one or make one.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
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Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 10:40 am
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Richard, my "Pot Metal" Pro lll has that same thing...fortunatly, and I bought it new I think in 77, I've never broken anything on it...I must not be playing with enough gusto!!!  |
Just be careful getting under the guitar. If you bump the knee lever sideways, it will snap off. Happened to me once. |
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 6:14 pm
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Here's what I did on the RKR.... As you know they have them nearer the center of the guitar. I didn't actually like that because I'm only about 5"7 and the knee lever was touching the tip of my knee, it was a bit too much on the knee cap, so I added the new cross rod and now have it near the apron. I don't do half stops, so it feels just where I wanted it!
This is a Duanne Marrs lever kit that's why it is not hex rod however there are holes drilled through the rod for the Allen screw to bite in to, so no slippage !
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Nov 2013 10:43 pm
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| Jim Bob Sedgwick wrote: |
| Dale Rottacker wrote: |
| Richard, my "Pot Metal" Pro lll has that same thing...fortunatly, and I bought it new I think in 77, I've never broken anything on it...I must not be playing with enough gusto!!! |
Just be careful getting under the guitar. If you bump the knee lever sideways, it will snap off. Happened to me once. |
With the Super Pro, that same thing would happen on LKL because the swing of your knee arcs to the rear corner of the guitar at the tuning key end. This created a backwards hit on the lever and snaps that bracket. I had 3 of them break. I am pretty sure that if the cross shaft was angled like in that pic that they wouldn't have broken on me.
Larry... The right knee levers were never a problem as the leg pretty much goes between them straight, and not at an angle like the left knee (if you are sitting as most do, with the middle of your body around the 15th fret or so). You are hitting square on and not at an angle like the LKL. LKR and LKV were never a problem. Just the LKL that was getting hit at an angle.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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