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Topic: Universal copedent question |
Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 28 Oct 2013 2:26 am |
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I am learning on an old D10 but I aspire to an S12U. I am interested to know how many people use the A-Bb raise on the C6 neck. Many published copedents don't have it. It obviously gives a C7 chord and it's useful for picking out tunes, and OBT fans point out that it's the same as the B pedal so it's there anyway.
But if you're on the B6 pedals, what use it is over on the left? If you're used to having it, would it make sense to duplicate it on a lever?
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2013 6:09 am
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On one of my S12U's I put P7 on a lever and have the B-pedal duplicated to the right of P6.
So by itself it gives you the 7th chord.
When used in conjunction with P6 it gives you a minor, for example two frets up from open you get the 2-minor chord. The same chord you would get if you went two frets back with P7, but the grip is one string lower and sounds fuller to my ear.
I like it.
I also have an S12U with the standard P7 copedant and I just use the B pedal for the 7th. Sometimes I use both feet to play the B-pedal and P6 together. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2013 3:31 pm
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I would not duplicate it as far a universal goes.
Use the B pedal,
5th pedal,
2nd string lower to D,
B to D on 9th string.
Enough 7th to go around for me.
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2013 4:12 pm
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| fwiw, It is super easy to try-out the G#>A on P7 by just backing off the P7 string-5 enplate tuner so no raise occurs on string-5, and back off the P7 string-6 endplate tuner halfway for the G# to A raise. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 28 Oct 2013 5:09 pm
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Or, unless you harbor a hatred of half-stops, put one on P4, especially if you move 4 to 8 like Newman?
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 29 Oct 2013 7:08 am
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Thanks for all your answers. I see what Ken means about there being plenty of 7ths already, but while I'm still on the old D10 I might try Lane's idea and rig a half stop on P4 (which is indeed my P8) to see if I love it or hate it. (I understand Pete's suggestion but my guitar's a bit primitive for it to be super easy.)
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Oct 2013 7:49 am
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Or an asymmetric P4, with 8 going to B and 4 going to Bb?
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2013 9:27 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| ... (I understand Pete's suggestion but my guitar's a bit primitive for it to be super easy.) |
How do you tune the raises on P7?
All I'm saying is tune one string so there is no raise when you push P7, and tune the other string so it only raises a half step instead of a whole step. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 29 Oct 2013 10:59 am
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It's an old single pull D10 and the raises tune at the heads. So of course I just tune the string down a semitone (and maybe have to adjust the open note at the changer) - just being dumb - thank you for making me think.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Oct 2013 11:29 am
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I'd try it for awhile as Pete suggests.
As a side note, pull-release guitars can accomplish nearly everything the all-pull can except splits.
Assuming your front neck has C pedal and F and D# levers, the 4th string shows how it's done.
Here's my question: why do almost all Unis only raise the top 2 Bs (or Bbs)?
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 30 Oct 2013 1:02 am
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Maybe because you wouldn't want to raise the bottom one it unless it's a root note and P5 likely does that.
Or maybe players who rely on a light A pedal for fast licks figure it would slow things down too much.
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