The Steel Guitar Forum

Is there a place i can go to on the Net to get or see a roding chart for a 79 Sho-bud Super Pro? Thank you very much.

I second that request!

I believe the rodding chart you are both looking for is here - http://steelguitar.com/rodding.html . When you are there, click on - S-10 or D-10, E9/C6, or even the S12U setup at the bottom, or whichever setup one you need. I can say from experience that following this chart makes your guitar play as smooth as possible. There is also a wealth of other information there including knee lever and pedal adjustment, and a whole bunch of other necessary information as well. Check it out. I also have the Shobud Copedant that came with new shobuds showing their guitar setup, although this is just a simple pull diagram. I would be happy to send this to anyone who needs this as well. Just send email to my address and I will reply with attachment. I hope this helps. Best Regards. Zeke

That link that Zeke posted is what I was going to suggest. It may not be exactly like that when it left the Sho~Bud factory, but it should be close and should work. I suggest rodding the guitar like the chart and if you feel the need, and understand the differences in the leverage points, you can fine tune the pulls from there. If I remember right, the bellcranks on the Super~Pro have 4 or 5 holes for the rod. Carters have 5. The only difference would be if the Super_Pro was only a tripe raise - double lower changer (I sold my Super~Pro many years ago and don't remember). Then, some of the positions at the changer would be affected (possibly).

Rich, the Super-Pro is a +3,-2, changer, and yes it has 5 hole bellcranks as u said....Stormy

Bob
If someone can explain to me how to post a regular 9x11 paper on this sight I will post the original SHO~BUD factory rod sheet we used in 1997.
I have tried and when I check the preview it comes up all mixed up. I am sorry but I'm not a computer person.
Gene Haugh

Gene... You will probably have to scan the sheet into a Jpeg file and use the upload photo function of the forum.

Gene Haugh wrote:Bob
If someone can explain to me how to post a regular 9x11 paper on this sight I will post the original SHO~BUD factory rod sheet we used in 1997.
I have tried and when I check the preview it comes up all mixed up. I am sorry but I'm not a computer person.
Gene Haugh

I take it u have a scanner or all-in-one prinyer w/scanner. Can u scan the page and get a document ,u could email it to me stormrosson@yahoo.com and I will post it for you....Stormy

Yeah I know Rich ,I'm ignoring myself and posting my e-dress but it's my slush box mail so hack away anyone who wants to lol...Stormy ps,@Gene if u don't know how to get a jpeg format don't worry, if u mail it to me I will convert whatever format, proprietary or other into a jpeg if needed before posting.

No problem Storm. I use a disposable email address too. It already got hacked once, so I don't mind any more. I use it when I don't want to get emails from someone. But my real email will always be protected as much as I can. My "slush" box gets anywhere from 20 - 50 spam emails a DAY, my real account maybe 2 a week, if that.

Most scanners default to a jpeg if I'm not mistaken. My all in one printer does.

:)Ditto that Rich, I would like to have a copy of that original chart tho...

Here it is gang thanks to Gene emailing this to me, voila enjoy

pardon the file name I forgot to rename it, it's a jpeg also Stormy Thx again Gene. if anyone has file drop box online I will upload it so everyone can get the file to print out... or send me a request at the above email and I will return a file copy to u.

It's interesting to see the LKV lowering string #6 from the factory. I wonder if it went down a whole step or just a half.

Just for info sake, the file Gene sent me was in .docx format so it will only open in MS Office/Word as a template file, converted it from that to a PDF, opened it in Photoshop and then saved it as a JPEG so the forum php board could read it.

Thank you, Gene and Storm!!

Thank you guys for this chart.

I wonder why Carter has their numbering convention the other way around for the fingers :

Here you can see that for the lower and raise fingers the hole closest to the body is numbered "3" and not "1".
However, for the pullers the hole closest to the body is numbered "1" and not "3".

In your chart any hole closest to the body is always "1". Much Better.
I believe Mullen uses the same convention.

Did anybody ever get confused with the Carter system because of this?

I can only guess that they thought it was easier to follow when looking at the guitar upside down when working on it....just a guess

I prefer the ShoBud chart best as the most consistent method for numbering, whether finger or crank. All figures emanate from the point of rotation, axle or cross shaft...... easier to remember.

Peter that arrow pointer is slightly miss leading. It is meant to point about a sixteenth of an inch lower to the first hole in the raise. I scratched my head at that a few years ago too.

Don, I think that arrow is just an indicator to where where that section is. Not a specific hole.

I agree with Jerry about being consistent. I received a rodding chart for my ETS and it was not consistent and very confusing. In the end I just swapped the numbers 3 and 1 on the finger holes and then it was clear.

Richard,
The Up Knee lowered the 6th string to F# or a whole tone! There was always an extra Puller on the Up Bell crank cross shaft with no pull rod. Don't know the thinking behind that but we did use it for special orders. Otherwise it was just extra.
Just some info.
Gene Haugh

Peter den Hartogh wrote:Thank you guys for this chart.

I wonder why Carter has their numbering convention the other way around for the fingers :

Here you can see that for the lower and raise fingers the hole closest to the body is numbered "3" and not "1".
However, for the pullers the hole closest to the body is numbered "1" and not "3".

In your chart any hole closest to the body is always "1". Much Better.
I believe Mullen uses the same convention.

Did anybody ever get confused with the Carter system because of this?

Don Ricketson wrote:Peter that arrow pointer is slightly miss leading. It is meant to point about a sixteenth of an inch lower to the first hole in the raise. I scratched my head at that a few years ago too.

Regardless of the arrow, the drawing depicts the guitar upside down, with the changer axle at the bottom of the drawing. So the numbers of the axle holes count, from the closest to the axle, 3-2-1.

While the numbers for the bell crank holes count, from the closest to the bell crank's "axle" (cross shaft), 1-2-3-4-5.

That seems counter-intuitive to me.

My Carter's changer has 4 raise holes and 2 lower holes. Does anyone have a stock D-10 rodding chart for that (8 pedals, 5 knees)?

I agree with Peter and Brint - Carter's numbering system is counter-intuitive to me.

Storm, please check your email.

Got it covered Mike