3x4 to 4x4 or 3x5: What change?

Travis Lyon · From: From NJ, USA lives in Dublin, IE

I currently have an S10 3x4 MSA Classic with a 3x4, the pedals are classic Emmons setup, levers are:

LKL: Lower E's
LKR: Raise E's
RKL: Raise 1 a whole step, 2 a half step, and lower 6 a whole step.
RKR: Lower 2 a whole step with half stop, lower 9 a half step.

I was thinking of adding either another pedal or lever, I was thinking about a vertical knee that does the B's to Bb, or maybe a Franklin pedal. However, I'm open to suggestions. I play a lot of country, rock, and folk and a little jazz, but I'd consider anything that would either add more cool chord voicings or create new utilitarian scale positions I couldn't attain previously. What do you all think?

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

The B to Bb is a more useful change than the PF pedal
you'll use it believe me

the PF pedal is nevertheless handy too - you won't use it that often imo
fret 0 :
G# to F# on 6 Yes !
the Bs to A are good 4 Blues if playing in B
the As when playing in D
Low to high voicing or vice versa when playing in A

Get both .... Winking

Larry Baker · From: Columbia, Mo. U.S.A.

just asking, are you sure about your left knees?
usually LKL raises E's and LKR lowers E's. Just curious about that. If it was me I would add the left knee vertical to lower the B's. just my opinion. good luck, Larry
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Dave Grafe · From: Hudson River Valley NY

Ditto, I would have to recommend a 3+5 with LKV lowering String 5 B to Bb, as near to an E9 standard as I am aware of.

Larry Bressington · From: Nebraska

What's the big advantage on the B's lowered, that's one move i have never tried? Thank's.
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Wally Moyers · From: Lubbock, Texas

What I have and would recommend on your vertical lever is lowering the 6th G# to F# and split it with the Franklin pedal only lowering the B's. Listen to Tommy White, he uses it all the time.. With both pedals you have the Franklin change and you can also use them each individually.. The link is a demo I played on using this change. It's in the solo about 142sec. into the song.. It's just one example. Franklin pedal then add the vertical knee the add the E-Eb pedal for the 5 cord...

https://soundcloud.com/pedalrocker/who-dont-love-who

For me this adds way more possibilities than just lowering the B's to Bb.. I haven't tried it yet but you could use a 1/2 stop on the Franklin pedal and have your B-Bb change also.. I may go do that now........ No sleep tonight (-:

Damien Odell · From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia

Hi Travis, when I first started playing I added the LKV lowering both B stings to Bb. The most obvious use for this is to get a minor chord with AB pedals down.
Also, as someone mentioned above, if it was me I would move the E raise from you LKR to your LKL as you'll often be engaging that lever in conjunction with your A pedal....and the way it is currently sounds a little awkward.....but if it works for you then it works.

At one point when I was starting I put a lever on that lowered the G# strings to G which gave me an easy minor, but I took that off.

I've been playing for around 7 years I think, and I've pretty much given up on changing things around now, it gets to a point where you just want to concentrate on playing the best you can with a familiar setup. I once made the mistake of having both my steels with very different setups, which was just stupid of me. Your guitar currently has all you'd need to get all the cliche E9 stuff and much more.

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

I have the B strings lower (LKV). Probably the most used, for me, is the AB pedals down and the B string lowered (split) to C as this gives a minor.

It also comes in handy for the Together Again lick as it can all be done on one fret.

Howard Steinberg · From: St. Petersburg, Florida , USA

Lowering the B's 1/2 step is probably my favorite lever change. As previously stated using this lever with the A and B pedals down gives you a parallel minor chord (think the bridge for Sleepwalk), You need to be able to tune the split to get this in tune. The beauty of this lever for me is the 2-9th voicings that you can get from any of the major chord grips by engaging this lever by itself. It's a beautiful thing when you are playing "Sweet Dreams."
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Dick Sexton · From: Greenville, Ohio

You could do without it. But why?

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5__3A__4AV__5AV__3_________8__7AV__5AV__8____________
6__3B__4B___5B___3_________8__7B___5B___8B___________
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8__3___4E___5______________8__7E___5____8E___________
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4______2F________3_______3___4C___1E____1______3_____
5__3A__2___5AV __3_______3A__4CV__1___1A ______3______
6__3B______5B ___________3B__4B_______________________
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Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

Split tuning and the B to Bb lower on the 5th string lead to a ton of diminished, 7b5, minor and C6 type sounds on E9th. Invoking the split becomes second nature in a hurry.

See "E9th - Diminished chord using split tuning on string 5" here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab.html

See "Tab 651 - E9th 9th String Lower and Split Tuning Practical Example #1" and "Tab 657 - Versatile turnaround featuring E9th 7th string whole tone raise and 9th string lower and split tuning! " here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab21.html

See "E9th - Lower B string to Bb or use split tuning" here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab3.html

See "E9th - Split tuning on 5th string - Key Of C" here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab7.html

See "Tab 634 - E9 - C6 Sounds On E9 Using A Variety Of Techniques" here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab18.html

See "Tab 429 - Key Of G - More C6 Sounds" here

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab9.html

See "E9th - Some more C6th Sounds on E9th!" here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab6.html

There a lot more uses and examples on my tab pages!

Greg

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