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Okay.. who has 6 knee levers on their D10 guitar that all work on the E9 neck? That is my situation. I was wondering
if someone has a copedent for me to see? I am in the process of working on mine. Hope I get it right....I think some pedals need re-adjusting for the right note as well. I am tryng to figure out if I have to use the two right knee left pedals in unison? Does anyone know? I wil post my copedent shortly so maybe someone can help me firgue this out...Thanks

Peter,

It might be easier/less work if you tell us which string(s) each knee currently raises and/or lowers.

The current copedent might be obvious (and adequate), just needing adjustment.

Here! is a common copedent for 8P/5K This should get you started in the right direction.

hp

I'm not sure you CAN use both inside and outside at the same time.
I'm with Howard, you might wanna put together a copedent chart. The only things I think I could tell for sure is that you raise the Es with LKL and lower them with RKIL. I think the RKL raises 1 and either lowers 6 or raises 7

From the forum, I know that some people do engage two levers w/ one leg simultaneously but I can attest that it can be very difficult to set up to work, ergonomically. I have several guitars, one a single 12 with 8 levers and the only double action I do is with the vertical. I've tried but I can't get the setup right with any lateral levers.

I have a couple of guitars where I can press two LKRs simultaneously (and the two changes together do fit), but I seldom do. I think trying to combine a double-lever move with working the volume pedal would be too much for me.

Even dealing with two RKLs individually has seemed the same way to me, though I know some do it. I use a Crawford cluster on the left knee, and using two levers on the same side means a bit of poking in or pulling back the knee. Doing that on the right knee without affecting volume pedal position seems pretty challenging to me.

If it were me I'd try to get the hardware (longer pull rod(s)) to move the sixth knee lever to the left knee.

Me. 2 LKL, 1 LKV 1 LKR , 1RKL and 1 RKR

Go to my website to see my copedent

I can actually hit both my left knee left levers at the same time, but with the changes I have on them now, there's really no reason to.

I have 6 levers (plus a wrist lever) and 2 RKLs. I find it impossible to activate the one closest to the front apron, without hitting the real one slightly, thereby knocking a couple of strings out of tune.

I solved this problem by having the one by the front apron activate the G# strings 5,6, and 10 (I have a U-12 and no D string) and the other one activate strings 2 and 11. So, I don't play this strings when I use the front lever.

My copedant is set up so that the changes on those 2 levers sre incompatible with each other and there is no musical reason to ever use them together.

This is how my 6 levers and 3 pedals work. What do you think?




Dekley D10 - 6 levers 3 pedals
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Mike Perlowin wrote:I have 6 levers (plus a wrist lever) and 2 RKLs. I find it impossible to activate the one closest to the front apron, without hitting the real one slightly, thereby knocking a couple of strings out of tune.

I solved this problem by having the one by the front apron activate the G# strings 5,6, and 10 (I have a U-12 and no D string) and the other one activate strings 2 and 11. So, I don't play this strings when I use the front lever.

My copedant is set up so that the changes on those 2 levers sre incompatible with each other and there is no musical reason to ever use them together.

"No musical reason" I like that! gonna start using that line for mainly every excuse I need in life. For example..."Honey, take out the garbage"...."Sorry, no musical reason for it Dear"

I did make an adjustment on that LKV pedal. It went from G# down to E . I adjusted it to go a 1/2 step down to G to bend a minor out. Didn't know why it went to E. it was a little redundant I thought

Peter Mosco wrote: I did make an adjustment on that LKV pedal. It went from G# down to E . I adjusted it to go a 1/2 step down to G to bend a minor out. Didn't know why it went to E. it was a little redundant I thought

Yes, I agree that lever was probably "overtuned" to E and was actually intended to drop to either G or F# (another common change).

You may have the same overtuned situation with the lever that drops the 5th string B to A: it's far more common to drop it a half-step to A#. You sometimes hear this referred to as the "X" lever.

FWIW..The B-Bb change makes more sense to me. Nice dom7 back 2 frets.

Anything lowering strings 9 and 10?

Any interaction with the 6th string lower and your B pedal? Fairly common to lower 6th string a whole step and split with the B pedal 1/2 step raise (pedal 2) for a resulting 1/2 step lower. Lots of use for that change.

h

My Dekley D10 is %&^%$@ heavy enough with 8 and 4 without adding any more metal to the pile....