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Topic: C13 (low F) harmonized major scale chord |
Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 30 Nov 2012 9:52 am |
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After reading the Solomon's post about his C6 tuning with low F.
I realized that you can play real nice chord with C6 if you altered some
of the lower strings. I love what he played so much that I decided to
restring my steel without the high G.
I realized that I'm so used to the low C (mainly for minor chord) that
I can't retune it to C#. But I want a dominant seventh in straight bar
so I tune the low A to Bb and for the major 7th I retuned the low G to
F and came with the C13 (low F) like Mike Neer uses.
High to low (E.C.A.G.E.C.Bb.F)
Now I can harmonize all the major scale with 7th chord. (CMaj7,
Dmin7, Emin7, FMaj7, G7, Amin7, Bmin7b5)
I tried to have the more important note in a 3 notes chord and play
them with a voice leading that sound like an ascendant scale and I
came with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUWDEg8_40&feature=plcp
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E |------------------------7-------|
C |----------------7-----------12--|
A |--------------------12----------|
G |----5---7-------7-------7---12--|
E |7---5---7---12------12------12--|
C |7---5---7---12------12----------|
Bb |----------------7-------7-------|
F |7-----------12------------------|
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I wonder if you guys play these chord? which tuning?
thanks!
<b>Edited by Brad Bechtel to align tab and correct some spellings.</b> |
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Nate Hofer
From:
Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 6:44 am
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| Interesting! I'm going to try this scale out too. I need a reason to play around with the low B-flat. I wonder how it works in chordal melody within a chord progression? |
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Riley Hart
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 8:22 am
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First, my current approach to learning the open tuned steel reflects my years of playing bass. On the 12 string I am trying to learn my scales and positions on the bottom and feel like my A is needed to ground my minors...and currently have the Anderson tuning on the bottom; lo to hi, D F A C. The low bass string is not seeing a lot of use, and even though I have tried pulling it, and using this; F A Bb C, i kept bumping into it (Bb)by accident and ended up retuning without it.
So, I am considering this; F Bb A C, reversing the order the Bb appears, but throwing it out of sequence pitch-wise. This seems like it wud be out of the way if not needed and keep the same relationship on the bottom that I am used to having on the bass.
I realize this is an 8 string thread, and sorry if I am off topic, but in my position of just basically starting out, it is important to me to learn scales and positions that i can stay with long enuf to become internalized, and it means a lot for me to have these roots on the bottom in case i am playing somewhere where i need to define the chords.
Does anyone think this bottom string arrangement makes any sense? |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 8:57 am
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| Solomon Hofer wrote: |
| Interesting! I'm going to try this scale out too. I need a reason to play around with the low B-flat. I wonder how it works in chordal melody within a chord progression? |
For now I just use the Bb for 7th chord and 3 note diminish chord. |
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Nate Hofer
From:
Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 9:44 am
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J-SG,
I don't think you're wrong. But your scale pattern is hard for me to remember.  I like my pattern because there's symmetry to it. It's more intuitive to me. I guess I can only say it's better for me. I see the low A and low F needing each other to make the most sense. Rather than the low Bb and low F.
However, again I don't know the G,Bb, C rational yet. I know there is one.
E |------------------------------------------------|
C |0---------------5-----7-----------------12-----|
A |-----5----7-----------------12----14-----------|
G |0---------------5-----7-----------------12-----|
E |-----5----7-----------------12----14-----------|
C# |------------------------------------------------|
A |0---------------5----7------------------12------|
F |----5-----7-----------------12----14------------|
By the way, you can get a dom 7 in a straight bar with the low C#. For example I think of the open position (with the C#) as an open A7 (rather than an open C6.) Just don't play the high open C string.
I'd love an expert to comment on the chord scale patterns. What does Mike Neer think? |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 11:50 am
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| Yes your tuning is very nice, Im just to used to the low C for minor chord, having a 9 strings It would be great to have the Jerry Byrd C6/A7 and add the low F. I dont know, I will keep the Bb for a while and maybe switch the C6/A7... |
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Nate Hofer
From:
Overland Park, Kansas
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 2:26 pm
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| I think you have triple neck too, yeah? I need to learn your tuning better. Neer has some good stuff on that I saw today looking back at his old blog posts. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Dec 2012 6:08 pm
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Yes Mike Neer is a master of these tuning, he use them both to play jazz! Imagine when he will have is D10!
Yes I have the nice old Fender T8 but I try to stay with my Tremblay S8, I love the tone better and I want to stick to a tuning until I know how to play. |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 2 Dec 2012 8:38 am
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I'm now trying a low F#. I hope the quest will not be to long!!
D9th -- F#CE, F#CEA
F#m7(b5) - F#EAC, F#ACE
F#7 -- F#BbE
F#7+9 -- F#BbEA |
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
From:
Quebec, Canada
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Posted 2 Dec 2012 1:05 pm
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I tried playing the major scale and got this
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Steve Ahola
From:
Concord, California
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Posted 8 Dec 2012 6:42 pm
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| Solomon Hofer wrote: |
| By the way, you can get a dom 7 in a straight bar with the low C#. For example I think of the open position (with the C#) as an open A7 (rather than an open C6.) Just don't play the high open C string. |
If you do hit the high C note you get a dominant +9th chord which is the "Jimi Hendrix" chord (like "Foxy Lady") when played on the I- or a really smooth jazz chord when played on other positions of the scale. So if you do hit the 2nd string by mistake all is not lost...
Steve Ahola
P.S. I think it is good to have one 8 stringer tuned to C6 with the E on top (to get the lower notes) and another tuned to C6 with the G on top (to get the higher notes.) Either of them can have the C# for the low C if you so desire.
Or you can get a 10 string and have your cake and Edith, too. 
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