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Topic: Max # of pulls on a pedal? |
Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 1:32 pm |
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I'm currently contemplating making one neck of a D-12 a Bb6 uni, and either decommissioning (only by unstringing, removing pulls and changers is too much work for something I might wanna undo) the other neck or making it an extended E9. The latter would mean 2-4 pedals would work both necks, with something like 5-7 pulls.
I doubt that 3/8" stainless crossrod would have a problem, but would that pose a concern other than "dang, that's one stiff pedal!"?
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Richard Damron
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Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 2:19 pm
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Lane -
A posted copedant reportedly belonging to Paul Franklin shows 6 pulls on one pedal - 4 raises and 2 lowers. He might be able to shed some light on how "stiff" the action is.
A bunch of guys have 4 pulls to one pedal/lever.
You could always accept a longer "throw" of the pedal - increased mechanical advantage - in order to ease the pain.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 2:27 pm
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True. And almost every MSA I've yet seen uses the outboard holes on the pedal rods, leaving the inner ones as an option of easing travel.
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Keith Currie
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Shellbrook, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 2:31 pm
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I pull 4 strings on my third pedal and they are all full tone rases, the action isnt real hard at all on my Franklin, but I do see a difference between a 36 and a 38 guage on my tenth string.
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Jim Hollingsworth
From:
Way out West
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 8:46 pm
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Hi Lane,
I use a Franklin based change on my C6 that has 3 raises.... but boy are they raises! I pull the F (string 9) to A, A to C, and C to D. I find the pedal very effective - but it definitely is a bit heavier feel than your A or B pedals! But I couldn't live without that change. I asked Gary Rittenberry to put helper springs on that change on my upcoming guitar.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2012 11:25 pm
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I've heard that some guitars have "helper springs" on pedals with a lot of pulls. I've never actually seen a helper spring, though. I don't know how they're hooked up.
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Keith Currie
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Shellbrook, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 30 Jan 2012 9:42 am
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I tried helper springs but you need to be very careful or they will slow down the lowering of the string also , if you happen to lower the same string. Very hard to find the balance when you start changing them.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Jan 2012 4:58 am
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My Zum has helpers. I like helpers. I don't see an easy way of giving an MSA classic helpers, short of removing the changer, notching the lower finger and drilling little holes in the raise fingers
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 31 Jan 2012 5:11 am
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On my Franklin, I have 4 changes on both of the right knee levers (3 or the E9th and 1 on C6th on each knee). Neither is "stiff".
Even the RKR with the feel stop for the 2nd string lowers is no different than the RKL action. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Feb 2012 4:51 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| I don't see an easy way of giving an MSA classic helpers, short of removing the changer, notching the lower finger and drilling little holes in the raise fingers |
Helper springs need not be hooked to the changer, or even near the changer, for that matter. All a helper spring does is to apply pulling assist in the same direction as the pulling finger or pull-rod. I had two on my old D10 '73 Classic (for 4-string pulls), but took them off after a couple of years. As my playing progressed, I found that a slightly stiffer and quicker action actually improved my fast pedal work.
Of course, using an old Fender cable model with a 4-string pull showed me what a stiff action really was! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Feb 2012 6:22 pm
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So you mean if you can't affix them to the fingers in the usual way, attaching them to the pullrod, or even the pulling bellcranks, does the same job?
I'd never thought of that
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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