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Kevin Mikkelson · Post by **Kevin Mikkelson** » 13 Jan 2012 11:30 am

Hello all, thanks for the welcomes. Just bought carter s-10. Told myself i was gonna learn this instrm. at 40 yrs old, lol. Been playing guitar since age 6. Well 1st question what is a vesatile amp for pedal steel and guitar country style, have been looking at twin reissues and vintage. I currently have a peavey chorus 400 but it seems like im missing the warmth of tube amp. Also having problems getting fine tuners adjusted might have too find shop round here in norther Illinois, if anyone knows of someone in the area please advise. Thanks for any and all help. Kevin.

Bill Ferguson · Post by **Bill Ferguson** » 13 Jan 2012 12:12 pm

Kevin, most of us steelers here on the forum like the Peavey Nashville 112.
Small, lightweight and versitle.

It is my amp of choice for 90% of my gigs.

Bill

James Mayer · Post by **James Mayer** » 13 Jan 2012 12:58 pm

IMHO, the Nashville 112 isn't a versatile amp at all. It might fit a lot of folks' taste for steel but I can't see it being used for 6-string without a modeler in front of it.

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 13 Jan 2012 1:07 pm

Welcome, Kevin!

How far north are you in Illinois?

Bob Vantine · Post by **Bob Vantine** » 13 Jan 2012 1:16 pm

In 35+ years of playing out , the Nashville 112 is my go to amp for almost everything now.

I've had mine for 4yrs and 95% of that is playing lead thru it. Just a few stomp boxes , nothing radical and no modeler either , just typical delays,chorus,tremolo type stuff. $:\$
Plenty of power,tone and not too heavy .

Brett Day · Post by **Brett Day** » 13 Jan 2012 1:27 pm

I love the Peavey Nashville 112-I've used one since December of '04. It's perfect for playing steel anywhere, whether you play at your house or onstage. It's a wonderful amp to use for playin' steel. I play my Jackson BlackJack Custom through a 112. It gives my Jackson Steel a wonderful sound and tone that is crystal clear. I've been usin' a Nashville 112 for eight years and I love it!

Brett

James Mayer · Post by **James Mayer** » 13 Jan 2012 1:36 pm

Brett Day wrote:I love the Peavey Nashville 112-I've used one since December of '04. It's perfect for playing steel anywhere, whether you play at your house or onstage. It's a wonderful amp to use for playin' steel. I play my Jackson BlackJack Custom through a 112.

Brett

Well, the OP is looking for something for steel AND guitar. I know that I don't like it for steel but I wouldn't think anyone would find it anything more than "acceptable in a pinch" for six-string.

It's a matter of taste. Not everyone wants that sound so I'm providing the other side of the coin for the OP's consideration.

I'm planning on taking my NV112 to a local steel amp comparison. If it doesn't completely surprise me then it'll be up for sale.

Roger Francis · Post by **Roger Francis** » 13 Jan 2012 2:18 pm

The galiankruger MB 500 is another choice for both, less than 4 lbs, just add speakers, I use one for steel but some are using it for lead too

Mike Kowalik · Post by **Mike Kowalik** » 13 Jan 2012 3:44 pm

Peavey Vegas 400........

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 13 Jan 2012 4:10 pm

The 2 ch. rack unit in this post looks interesting. Wonder if anyone has tried it for both instruments? http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=213493

Maybe with a cab or two and your offboard fx stuff?

Bobby Snell · Post by **Bobby Snell** » 14 Jan 2012 8:45 am

Welcome to PSG, Kevin. Since you are a long-time guitarist, you have an idea of what you want for guitar tone. As you become more proficient at steel, you'll start to get ideas about how to shape your steel tone. Its a journey to enjoy!

There's always lots of discussion here on the forum about finding amps that can do double duty, PSG and guitar, so don't be afraid to dive into the search function and settle down for some reading.

Usually the PSG needs so much clean headroom that it becomes the defining factor in amp choice: so 50 or 100 watts in a tube amp. And then a 2d channel and/or stomp boxes to get into 6-string sounds with a balance of volume.

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 14 Jan 2012 10:01 am

I put a JBL K120 into a Blues Deluxe Reissue and it now does the trick very nicely for both steel and guitar. If the steel pickups are too hot you may swap out a 12AY7 or 12AT7 for the first stage 12AX7.

Richard Grasty · Post by **Richard Grasty** » 16 Jan 2012 5:03 pm

GOT A LIKE NEW 112 WE SELL AS HAVE SOLD MY STEEL AND RETURNED TO THE DOBRO...$400.00 AND HALF OF THE SHIPPING... CANT TELL FROM NEW...RICK G DOBROPLAYING@YAHOO.COM

Clete Ritta · Post by **Clete Ritta** » 16 Jan 2012 7:08 pm

Fender Twin Reverb.

Kevin Mikkelson wrote:...what is a vesatile amp for pedal steel and guitar...

A few may have missed the "and" part of your request but most didnt.

The Peavey amps are great steel amps. They were designed for steel guitar. Ive been using the NV1000 but wasnt completely satisfied with the guitar through the solid state amp. The Twin Reverb is a really good guitar amp, and works for steel as well. It has two channels with separate volume and eq on each. The Peavey doesnt, but has a mid sweep which is great for shaping steel tone which the Fender doesnt have. I play a little more guitar than steel, so that was a priority for me. I might bring both amps to a larger venue, but for a single amp gig, I prefer the Fender over the Peavey for double duty these days. Just my opinion, of course, they both will work fine. Its just a matter of your priorities.

Clete

Clark Doughty · Post by **Clark Doughty** » 17 Jan 2012 12:44 pm

"

Tommy was using a Nashville 112 when I saw him sitting in with the Time Jumpers."

This is a quote from another thread. This is referring to the great Tommy White................nuf said.....cd

Tim Whitlock · Post by **Tim Whitlock** » 17 Jan 2012 3:57 pm

I'm with Clete - for double duty the Twin Reverb is the one amp that is acknowledged as iconic in both the guitar world and the steel guitar world.

The two separate channels are a plus, but a nice mod is a half power switch that cuts out two of the power tubes. This brings the output down to about 30 - 35 watts so you can push it for guitar, or switch back to full power to get the clean headroom needed for steel.

PS - Don't buy a reissue. I see 70's silver face Twins all the time on Craigslist and the prices are still very reasonable. You should be able to get one for half the price of a new reissue.

James Mayer · Post by **James Mayer** » 17 Jan 2012 4:02 pm

Tim Whitlock wrote:I'm with Clete - for double duty the Twin Reverb is the one amp that is acknowledged as iconic in both the guitar world and the steel guitar world.

Exactly. How many guitar-only players are using the NV112 as their primary amp?

Bob Cox · Post by **Bob Cox** » 17 Jan 2012 5:19 pm

Nash 400 or session 400, both great for crossover work. Also a webb is great it has seperate channnels for seperate eQ

Pete Myers · Post by **Pete Myers** » 20 Jan 2012 9:57 pm

My nashville 400 started messing up........so I started playing thru the clean channel of a MARSHALL
JCM 2000 DSL 401... I do like the marshall clean tone on a bunch of songs, but my next amp will be that Peavey 112....

Edward Byrne · Post by **Edward Byrne** » 21 Jan 2012 7:37 am

i do quite a few gigs on just lead guitar, as steel is not always required, and i often use a peavey nashville 112, i do use outboard delay, reverb and overdrive pedals, but the amp delivers very well, people shouldn't condemn an amp just because they prefer something else, the vast majority of 112 users are very happy with their own personal sound, by all means have your say, and name your own favorite amp, but dont knock a very popular, reliable, workhorse of an amp,

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 21 Jan 2012 8:16 am

...but it seems like im missing the warmth of tube amp.

Kevin,
If you don't like your current SS amp you will not like any of the non tube amps that guys on the forum rave about. Trust your own ears on this one. I would go for a real vintage Twin. The old silver face ones are usually a good deal .

Daniel Policarpo · Post by **Daniel Policarpo** » 12 Aug 2012 5:17 am

I really like the Fender Excelsior for practice, but it doesn't have the power for a full band. Fender Twin Reverb is what I like the best when volume is needed.

Quentin Hickey · Post by **Quentin Hickey** » 12 Aug 2012 5:29 am

My 112's sound pretty good to me when I plug my tele into them. The 112 will push a very clean signal uncompressed where as a tube will coimpress the signal so thats where the main difference is when you compare the 112 to say a blues junir or twin etc.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 12 Aug 2012 5:53 am

Jerry said:

The 2 ch. rack unit in this post looks interesting. Wonder if anyone has tried it for both instruments? http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=213493

While it looks interesting, it doesn't look like a 2 channel amp to me. It only has one input (unless the second is on the back) so you would have to use an A/B box or unplug and plug in whatever you wanted to run through it at the time. It does have switchable, let's call them "variations" that you can set up for different tones, overdrive, etc.

Bob said:

Nash 400 or session 400, both great for crossover work. Also a webb is great it has seperate channnels for seperate eQ

If you are talking about the typical 614-E, it does NOT have a separate channel for the EQ section. This again is a single channel amp with an EQ section that you can switch in and out. This amp does have 2 inputs (not separate channels) so you could conceivably plug a steel and guitar into it and just switch in the EQ for the guitar and get a different tone (or vice versa) when needed. But frankly, I know a guy that used a Webb as a guitar amp, using a hollow body Gibson, and it really sounds like crap to me. But I am sure, in the hands of someone a little more savvy that this dude, it could probably work good for guitar.

I am sure that if I played guitar also, I would want a good tube amp for it and my NV400 for steel. I hate carrying this heavy stuff as much as the rest of you, but I won't sacrifice quality of sound for ease in transport (read: laziness - unless you physically don't have room in your vehicle to transport both. Lack of stage room is not a good excuse as the amps can be stacked.). I used to play keyboards also, and used to have to carry around an additional amp for them (a Roland KC-550 weighing in at around 64 pounds). I could not get decent keyboard sounds out of the NV400 with the controls set like I like them for steel.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 12 Aug 2012 7:07 am

Well, the R&R Solo amp has two rows of preamp gain/eq controls and a switch that reads Ch1, Ch2. Sure looks like a 2 channel amp to me. http://postimage.org/image/1gapzw7k4/

Many multi-channel amps only have one input and you switch between them on the panel or by footswitch. Some of the big Mesa Boogies for instance. My big rack mount TubeWorks 2 ch. rig has only one input.

A/B switchers are common with multi-instrumentalists using the same rig for everything.

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