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Topic: Classic out-of-print Byrd |
Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Roy Thomson
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Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 11:08 am |
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Thanks very much Andy!
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Kekoa Blanchet
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Kaua'i
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 12:13 pm
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| Kekoa, thanks for this - I find a date of 1953 for the release of the "Nani Hawaii" 45 RPM set. Does anyone know what steel JB was playing then? |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 1:12 pm
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He was still using his 7 str. Bakelite.
Anybody else having trouble keeping the blogs up? My page keeps going blank. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 1:20 pm
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| Thanks Ron. More trivia: I have the Cattle CD #296, "Early Country & Hawaiian Steel Guitar Classics", and all the Nani Hawaii tracks are on it, but they're dated 1949. Maybe that was when the 78s came out?...even Wikipedia's listing on JB dates it at 1953. I love digging for this kind of info. |
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S.M. Johnson
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Oregon, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 4:14 pm Some more information.................
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If you'd care to see the actual group that cut that album, simply goe to www.jerrybyrd-fanclub.com/
and visit the JERRY's PHOTO page.
I've been communicating regularly with Mia Kuaana, Danny's daughter, who says her home was always filled with her dad's musician friends. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 4:26 pm
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| Thanks for that S.M., I think it;s likely that the tracks were cut in '49 and re-released on 45 RPM in '53. Great photo! |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 6:53 pm
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| They were repackaged several times over the years; later in the '50s, as the LP "On The Shores of Waikiki." |
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 14 Jan 2012 7:06 pm
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| Jerry's early stuff was great, with the bakelite sound. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 15 Jan 2012 10:08 am
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
| They were repackaged several times over the years; later in the '50s, as the LP "On The Shores of Waikiki." |
Thanks Andy, more good info. |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 15 Jan 2012 11:31 am
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You're welcome. For my personal taste, JB's tone on the Nani Hawaii session far surpasses the sound he got in later years on his Excel and Sho-Bud guitars. It's just the gold standard for that luxurious bakelite "growl."
It's a mistake to think Byrd's sound came that way out of the box. It's a combo of his incredible technique and pick attack, shaded by expert volume pedal use (his got louder on the upstroke,) and the tone of his Volu-Tone amp all coupled with the mid-50's engineering protocols used plus the ambient sound of the rooms in which he recorded. |
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Mike Anderson
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 15 Jan 2012 11:43 am
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Oh, I hear you all right - it's the reason some of us are obsessed with vintage instruments, amps, mics, and even limiters and EQs and so on.
As for the touch and the ears and the feel - money can't buy that. 
Edit: oh, and we're definitely on the same page regarding the tone! |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 9:46 am
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i never really had an interest in Hawaiian music until i listened to Jerry - his tone and phrasing is SO good, just beautiful, entranced, i just eat the stuff up - i recall reading where he said if you can touch someone with your music, its the true measure of an artist. well, he has to the point i have to stop and think, am i listening to the music, or a complete master of the instrument.
- now i wish someone would post some Dick Mcintire for educational purposes! there is nothing out there on him that i can find. i'd love to hear where JB got his tone from.
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 10:02 am
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Well these two cuts should give you a good picture of exactly what the McIntire magic was all about. Dick had it all: tone, taste, touch, exquisite phrasing and the rarest of all qualities - knowing exactly how much to play and never, ever, over playing.
https://home.comcast.net/~aevolk/music/South_Of_Honolulu.mp3
https://home.comcast.net/~aevolk/music/Dick_McIntire_Im_Pau.mp3
The Cumquat releases are a fantastic resource. Bruce Clarke, their founder died and the site is now administered by his son, Dallas. There have been reports on the forum of poor service/non-delivery so I would email first before I'd order to check availability, delivery, etc.
http://www.cumquatrecords.com.au/
I should add that the above cuts are from Bruce's CDs. Bruce was one of the greatest Jazz guitarists in Australia for many years though he started out on lap steel and returned to it near the end of his life. Bruce spent countless hours cleaning up these old 78s and his level of expertise and understanding for how this music should sound is really evident in the sonic quality - even in these compressed mp3s.
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 10:17 am Thanks ANDY!
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I appreciate your positive comments about JERRY BYRD.As you say, NANI HAWAII was a one of a kind project.
I've found the tone to be unequaled anywhere else.
From time to time on KING lable, I've found some truly great tone, similar to the Kuaana records.
For Example: "KENTUCKY" by the Short Brothers
"Too Young" by Clyde Moody
and many others.............. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 1:34 pm
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
| JB's tone on the Nani Hawaii session far surpasses the sound he got in later years on his Excel and Sho-Bud guitars. It's just the gold standard for that luxurious bakelite "growl." It's a mistake to think Byrd's sound came that way out of the box. It's a combo of his incredible technique and pick attack, shaded by expert volume pedal use (his got louder on the upstroke,) and the tone of his Volu-Tone amp all coupled with the mid-50's engineering protocols used plus the ambient sound of the rooms in which he recorded. |
It's a shame Jerry's great friend and Bakelite hero, Wanyne Tanner doesn't post here any more, he could comment extensively on how Jerry's 6 and 7 string mains were exceptional Bakelites, easily allowing for the infamous 'moan' some are known for, while many Ricks cannot conjure it up as easily, or at all. And it certainly does have a lot to do with the player. As an example, Wayne showed his buddy Tom Brumley how to get it on Tom's B6. But then Tom later 'lost' it and came back to Wayne upset about his guitar now being unable to do it, only to have Wayne play the same guitar and easily coax the moan right back into life.
I have many emails from Wayne describing the intracacies about Jerry/Bakelites and the dream sound that can be acheived, and how to do it. I should post those in another thread. Ray knows well about all this and can provide mucho info as well.
Jerome, more than one fine steeler say Jerry was probably the only true Master of the steel.
BTW, you can find some public domain McIntire by googling his name and including - blogspots or mediafire in the title. |
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 2:19 pm About that Nani Hawaii recording session..............
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According to the Jerry Byrd Fan Club......
This album, according to Mercury Records, was recorded in January/February, 1950. The location was not noted. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 4:33 pm
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For my personal taste, JB's tone on the Nani Hawaii session far surpasses the sound he got in later years on his Excel and Sho-Bud guitars. It's just the gold standard for that luxurious bakelite "growl."
It's a mistake to think Byrd's sound came that way out of the box. It's a combo of his incredible technique and pick attack, shaded by expert volume pedal use (his got louder on the upstroke,) and the tone of his Volu-Tone amp all coupled with the mid-50's engineering protocols used plus the ambient sound of the rooms in which he recorded. |
I agree 1000%, Andy. By the 1970s Jerry was playing guitars made by pedal steel companies... Pickups with more windings, a completely different sound, and solid state amps, no more tube amp growl. I also agree that much of the sound was in Jerry's hands and head.  He really attacked the strings aggressively... I like that.
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 5:22 pm
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| I wasn't aware that he used solid state amps. The Twin Reverb seemed to be his amp in later years. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 7:01 pm
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| I'd be very surprised if Jerry EVER used SS amps out of choice, he was a staunch tuber, even putting up with them in his teaching room, but if anyone knows for sure I'd like to hear about it. |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Michael Lee Allen
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Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 9:16 pm
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2012 10:14 pm
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
| I too have a silverface Fender tube amp in my teaching room... the same one for 35 years! |
Jerry used his SF Twin at shows and kept a Music Man 2x12 at Harry's Music. Harry's just moved down the road from thier historic building, so the history is fading ever further for those who set foot in ol' Harry's. |
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