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Topic: Gigged with a Fender RI 65 deluxe reverb this weekend |
Don Hinkle
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 10:10 am |
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My lead guitar amp is out of service for the weekend (hot rod deville or blues jr depending on the venue) so my buddy let me use his 65 reissue deluxe... WOW
That amp has SERIOUS character!
I played my strat (seymour duncin single coils) and tele into the amp and was in love!
The amp has so much "cream" to it, I didnt even need to run a compressor on the clean channel..
I have had a couple of Dr Z amps in the past (sold 3 years ago when I decided to TRY to become a steel player) and havent really bought another "real" guitar amp... I may be looking into this reissue.. WOW
Don
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Tim Marcus
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 10:41 am
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if you love the reissue - imagine how much love you'd have for an original hand wired one!
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Paul Arntson
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 10:43 am
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I have a DRRI that I actually chose after listening comparisons with about 5 classic pro setup SF Deluxes. I agree with you, Don, great amps. I think the big deal for me was playing around to find the right bias and using a set of matched tubes. I probably didn't even need the Weber Cali speaker I put in there. I put the stock one in an old Peavey cabinet so I can swap back and forth.
Tim - Great sound clips!
I'm sure I would have chosen a Milkman amp if I had the opportunity and the $$. (And if it made me sound anything like you or Greg...)
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Bo Borland
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 11:11 am
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| I usually use a Blues Jr. but recently saw the new EC Series .. have to try one.. |
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Don Hinkle
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 11:26 am
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Like I said, I also have a blus jr and its "ok" at best.
Obviously better than a solid state harsh brittle amp.. but this deluxe RI is wicked.
Even though I love to play traditional country on the pedal steel, I am more of a modern guitar player. I enjoy playing classic country on the tele, but honetly, I cut my teeth playing country guitar in the late 80's early 90 while wearing blisters on my fingers trying to learn everything that Brent Mason put down.
I have a few different compressors and overdrive pedals.. and again, I tried 3 different compressors (boss yek, a hand wired pedal - eh.., and an original dynacomp...) and a compressor just took away from the tone UNLIKE it does for most other amps I have played.
I am sure that an original deluxe from the 60s would be better.. BUT I recently had a 74 original twin and it didnt hold a candle to the tone on this RI deluxe. Obviously the twin would tear off the walpaper in sheer volume.. but tone.. wont touch the deluxe RI.
SO now, I am gonna have to sell my extra pedal steel (GFI Sd10 ULTRA) and but a new reissue fender!!!
That sound was just SO big... made my "E" and "A" strings sound like they were HUGE>.. I played very well and was feeling it.. even my band mates commented on how much I was getting in to it... funny how that works...
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Mike Wheeler
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 3:20 pm
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Don, keep in mind that you may have found a gem in the one you tried. Like steels, not all amps are created equal.
I'd try to buy that one from your buddy...if possible. 
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Dave Mudgett
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 4:41 pm
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| I am sure that an original deluxe from the 60s would be better.. BUT I recently had a 74 original twin and it didnt hold a candle to the tone on this RI deluxe. Obviously the twin would tear off the walpaper in sheer volume.. but tone.. wont touch the deluxe RI. |
A Twin Reverb and a Deluxe Reverb are apples and oranges anyway, but a '74 Master Volume Twin Reverb (a fine amp if that's the sound you want) and a Deluxe Reverb are apples and coconuts. No comparison.
I agree with Tim - if you like a RI DR, definitely try a nice old silverface DR. They are somewhat sensitive to bias and speaker - different people will prefer different setups. But then you should also consider the difference in construction and maintenance. IMO, there is no comparison between the reissue and a properly set up old hand-wired DR, at many levels.
Of course, there are a bunch of other blackface/silverface Fender amps and it might be worthwhile to explore them. My personal favorites with a Tele - Vibrolux Reverb for louder gigs and a Princeton Reverb for not-so-loud gigs. |
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Clete Ritta
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San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 18 Dec 2011 10:03 pm
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I have a HotRod Deluxe, which sounds good clean, but I dont like the drive channels much. Its a master volume type amp on the drive channels.  I havent tried a DRRI yet.
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Don Hinkle
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Springfield Illinois, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2011 6:36 am
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Clete - I have a hot rod deluxe and a hot rod deville.... you will throw rocks after playing the reissue.. or a real deluxe... I am a believer!!!
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Don Hinkle
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Posted 20 Dec 2011 5:50 am
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I had to... Just bought one
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Mike Bowles
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Posted 20 Dec 2011 6:24 am dr
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i have a deluxe rev 2 its supposed to be hand wired i dont know if anything has been changed i have not been inside of the amp i would not know what i was looking for any way it is ok for my tele but sounds a little thin to me for steel the amp is in good shape a little rust on the corners im thinking about selling it and getting a roland cube 80xl any recomendations maybe for a speaker change thanks
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Tim Marcus
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Posted 20 Dec 2011 8:57 am
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I think the deluxe reverb 2 was a Rivera era fender amp, and is probably over filtered and has a weird phase inverter. Also, he put a lot of ceramic caps in there for stability which should definitely get cut out. Many of those hand wired amps from the 80's are strange - but can easily be reverted to 60's spec. I find that the Rivera era amps are a bit nasal sounding - very pinched in the midrange.
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Tony Prior
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Posted 22 Dec 2011 6:13 am
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As Dave states above, comparing any facet of a TWIN to a Deluxe Reverb is off the map.
I would never argue that someone prefers one sound to another but tone is in the ears of the beholder. Twin Reverbs are about clean headroom, Deluxe Reverbs are about gentle breakup as they are 22 watt amps. Speakers make a huge difference on how the sound is transferred from the Output Transformer to your ears...it would be near impossible to do an AB even with two amps that are the same which have different speakers in them...My 71 Twin with the original Oxfords , for me, was basically useless for the Steel, once I put a pair of Emmi's in it , it woke up and has become the only amp I use on gigs now for both Steel and Guitars.
That being said, if the DRRI does the trick grab it..nice amp but I would also agree that any nice SF DR up to and including 1976 would be the preferred DR to acquire if one could.
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Kermit Monk
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Posted 22 Dec 2011 3:16 pm
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I agree with Tony's comment regarding speakers in the Deluxe Reverb....
I have recently been testing different speakers in my '72 DR. This info might be useful to anyone just getting into the Deluxe.
Note: The tone I am searching for is just for Tele. I use my Twin Reverb for steel.
The first speaker I tried was Weber's Neomag speaker. From everything I had read, this speaker was supposed to be about as close to the old JBL D120F as you can get. The Neomag had a great sound. Crazy clear with great note separation. Like the JBLs, these speakers have a Hifi sound and do not add their own color. Because we are more accustomed to hearing a speaker with a middy tone in this type of amp, the Neomags almost had a mid deficient sound to me. Alone in my music room this speaker was great. At a gig, it got lost in the mix. Not enough mids to cut through.
The second speaker I tried was the one most people recommend for this amp. The Weber 12F150. This speaker was good,but it had a little darker tone than I was looking for playing Country Tele. I think this would be a great blues speaker, but not a twanger.
Third one I tried was the WGS Green Beret. This is Warehouse Guitar Speakers version of the G12 Greenback. Supposedly Brent Mason had one of these in the Deluxe he records with, but I didn't hear any Brent Mason tones coming out of mine... This speaker was just harsh. Period.
Lastly, I tried the WGS Veteran 30 which is their version of the old Vintage 30. Bingo! Smooth...plenty of mids...Turn the bass up to about 7 and you get big fat tele notes and a great rhythm tone. Turn the bass down to 4 and your in chicken picken heaven. I haven't gigged with this one yet, but from what I hear so far this one should cut through with a great tele tone.
Maybe this info will point someone in the right direction regarding speakers in the Deluxe.
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Don Hinkle
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Springfield Illinois, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2011 5:14 pm
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I am patiently awaiting my reissue deluxe reverb... I must say when I gigged with my buddies amp last weekend (bone stock) it was great for clean and overdrive. I was using a Fulltone fulldrive with overdrive amount set on about 10:00 (prolly 3 on a scale 1-10) and I was amaze how much "tone" and sustain I was able to get when I turned the volume on my strat up...
I didnt do any tele chicken picken (not with this band.. yek!) but when I get my amp next week I will put it through a rigorous process to get a good clean tone. I have a few compressors and guitars to play with. The band I played with last weekend plays new country... so I only used clean channel 3 times or so... and it was great. absolutely no use for a compressor thats for sure. The 6V6 were creamy and spongy... I loved it.
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Paul Arntson
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Posted 23 Dec 2011 11:34 am
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Good call Don, if only because it agrees with my thinking. I'll be following what you think of it.
Bias and matched tubes. |
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