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Topic: Copedent/Tuning question |
David Harrison
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New Mexico, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2011 5:06 pm |
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Hey fellers,
New guy here....just a quick question for you:
I've got an MSA S-10 3/1 that I bought a while back, and it had a funky setup on P3 & RKR.
P3 raises string 2 from D# to F. I bought some parts and also made it raise #4 from E to F#, since this seems to be the standard copedent. All I have to do now is change the mechanism from the 2nd string to the 5th to get the C#. Do you guys know why this would've been set up this way? Just curious.
Also, my only knee lever (RKR) drops both E's to E flat as normal. But isn't this lever supposed to be LKR? Or maybe it's standard for student models...?
I also have an early '70's Sho-Bud Professional where the LKR drops the E's. It's gonna mess me up if both guitars aren't the same. Should I add the other 3 knees on the MSA & move the E-E flat to LKR to make the setup "standard"? What do you guys think?
Thanks for your help!
Dave |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 20 Oct 2011 6:42 pm
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The physical location and direction of the knee lever is not important.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 20 Oct 2011 7:48 pm
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Correct. While it would be convenient for both guitars to be identical, it'd be better for your brain to leave them different, having to think rather than grab them reflexively. Knee levers aren't quite standardized, the closest is that most folks lower the Bs to A# with a vertical.
D#-F?!?! Wow. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 9:56 am
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Wow... I totally missed the part about you having a Sho~Bud. In that case, If I had the money and means to do it, I would add the other levers (if it can be done) and make them identical. I am able to play a steel with an Emmons pedal setup (not real good, but I can. I play a Day setup) but the knee levers are always a challenge for me if they are on a different knee than mine are. I don't recommend having two or more guitars with different setups (of the same basic tuning). You have enough to think about when playing without having to remember where your knee levers are.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 10:25 am
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Richard, I've watched guys, admittedly superior players, sit down at successive guitars, all set up differently, and play them all well. They stated they kept their guitars different just so they would have to keep their brains active.
I wish I had that sort of guts. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 10:57 am
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If I was planning on going out and playing everyone else's guitars, I would probably do the same. Of course, that would mean I would have to be able to afford many guitars. It's not most player's dreams to be able to play as many different setups as there are out there. Most strive to be able to play their guitar to the best of their ability. Not saying a player couldn't get just as good with multiple setups. I know I probably could.
I once asked John Hughey if could play Buddy Emmons guitar, and he told me that he could fumble around on it, but wouldn't be able to just sit down and play a gig on it. I imagine that's true of most pro players (except Johnny Cox who seems to be able to play any guitar - the man is super-human).
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 11:21 am
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| I wasn't suggesting in order to play everyone else's guitar, but rather suggesting that forcing one's mind into agility might actually improve one's ability. I know I plan on retaining some of the differences between my Zum and my MSA. I may actually deliberately foster some. Just for the exercise. Brains, like bodies, thrive on exercise (ISTR hearing that the pleasure centers of the brain fire the most when the brain is learning stuff). |
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David Harrison
From:
New Mexico, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 2:26 pm
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| Thanks for the input, guys. It's got two more open positions for knee levers. I may as well install & use 'em! Years ago, I had a Maverick, and it was set up with the LKR dropping the E's. I guess I'm just used to that. Lane, you're probably right about exercising our brains, but that's something I'm not used to! |
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Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 3:45 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Richard, I've watched guys, admittedly superior players, sit down at successive guitars, all set up differently, and play them all well. They stated they kept their guitars different just so they would have to keep their brains active.
I wish I had that sort of guts. |
More a matter of time. If you don't have a day job and can put enough time in, that would work. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 21 Oct 2011 5:21 pm
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Look, there's different and there's DIFFERENT
I have three guitars -- all are single neck 12 string guitars. One has 6x6; one has 8x7; one has 8x8. ALL THREE have that 6x6 minimum configuration, but the other changes can vary. I know I can get by with the minimum and use the other stuff when I want to. I could say they are all different, but the way I look at it -- by and large -- they're all the SAME. The extra pedal or lever or two is useful but OPTIONAL.
I've always admired players who can adapt to another player's setup, but I've never played a common setup myself. As mentioned, it is an acquired skill, but not, in my opinion, a critical one. Having one guitar with Emmons and one with Day setup and different knee levers might SEEM to be a positive cerebral exercise but . . . .
A guitar is a work tool for me and the objective when playing a gig is to think as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE about anything other than the notes I'm playing and the feel of the song. Just my preference.
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