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Topic: Bigger Bars? |
Leo Grassl
From:
Madison TN
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 6:20 am |
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Hey,
Ive been at the steel for about five months now and have been playing with a Dunlop 920. It fits me okay but I tried a larger bar while I was at ISGC this year and found that it was more comfortable to play with.
Since I cant remember what it was that I tried, I was looking for some guidance on what the different options for bigger bars are. Any suggestions? |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 7:33 am
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I am a fan of the BJS 15/16" John Hughey bar.
Right size, right weight.  |
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S.M. Johnson
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 8:48 am I guess it all depends.....................
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I've been told by experts that "SIZE" is not all that important. The bar, of course, does not need to cover all 10-12-14 strings at one time.
A bullet nose for moving across the strings is truly essential for the serious player. A length and weight that will allow the player the full control and flexibility of manipulation is also extremely important. Weight it not a necessary factor.
Try several one will likely feel 'perfect'. Later in life you might seek to change but just let it happen. |
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Ray Anderson
From:
Jenkins, Kentucky USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 1:11 pm bars
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The bigger bar has better tone capabilities, IMHO. I've tried them all. The smaller bar works better on faster pickin'but by using the bigger bar my capabilities and reflexes with the smaller are better and more smooth when I do use the smaller bar. YMMV   |
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Kevin Bollivar
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 1:21 pm
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I'd be goin with BJS bars....the sustain is something else,I was used to playin with a 3/4" Ernie Ball...when I got the 1" BJS bar.it was like a difference of day and night.You'll be surprised,thats more then likely,what you had.To me,the extra weight,made everything come alive!!
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Curt Langston
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Posted 6 Oct 2011 2:49 pm
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John Pearse 1" Thermocryonic Big Daddy
Sustain for days!
IMHO
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Jack Willis
From:
California, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 10:15 am Which bar?
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What Curt said.....
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Joe Naylor
From:
Avondale, Arizona, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 10:42 am
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If you want lots and lots of opinions just make some bars and try to sell them at a steel show.
been there - done that - and by the way did not get a "T" shirt.
most say that a 1" is the large bar - just from that experience I can tell you --- WHAT EVER YOU GET USE TO WORKS.
Like a lot of the steel guitar stuff - it is what YOU like and DO NOT get confussed with everyone elses facts.
I did make some 2" ones just for fun and guys said they would practice with the really big one and then they were faster with their regular bar.
I actually made them as a joke but sold ever one of them quickly.
Just my experience.
Joe Naylor
www.steelseat.com
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 10:44 am
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I had problems getting good vibrato with the standard size bars. I would move the bar too fast and it sounded like a tremelo turned up to fast on your amp. The bigger bar help me get nice slow even vibrato and the sustain is very nice. Now with faster songs, I like the smaller bar, and since using the larger bar for awhile now I'm able to get better vibrato with the smaller one too for some reason. Maybe I had to train my hands and brain together to get it all to work.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 11:09 am
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Generally, more mass= longer sustain and cleaner tone and harder surface = crisper tone and better attack.
This is why since the thirties they've mainly used chromed brass.
I will use other substances: if a song uses only A, B or E chords (brief forays to D if I feel adventurous), I play my solo open as I drink a soda, beer or whatever's handy. If I kill the beverage in time, I'll use the glass as a bar. DO NOT USE AN Al CAN. trust me. The glass or glass bottle have adequate properties, but not much sustain. Al can gives an amusing thunk. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:41 pm
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| i stumbled on a big dekley 1inch bar long ago and it adopted me. just feels right and can't go back. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 12:54 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Generally, more mass= longer sustain and cleaner tone and harder surface = crisper tone and better attack.
This is why since the thirties they've mainly used chromed brass. |
Some may use chromed brass, but there are many others who build bars from stainless steel. Geo L's and Bullet Bars to name just a couple. I don't believe chromed bars have a monopoly on the guitar steel business.
Size wise, to each his own. I've tried the bigger bars, but always go back to the 7/8" stainless bars I bought from the Jackson guitar co in the 80's. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 1:07 pm
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| The thing I find amazing is that my first purchased steel came with a bar. I have. Bought seven bars since then, 1980. Only my most recent purchase and that bar are still with me |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 10 Oct 2011 9:20 pm
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I started on an S10 with a 920 as well. I bought a 921 when I got a U12. I found it easier to use and now use it on 10 string as well. Its 1" X 3-3/4" and 11.5 oz.
Clete |
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Bill Miller
From:
Gaspe, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 11 Oct 2011 3:48 am
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I alternate between a regular 15/16 BJS bar and a Hughey 15/16 BJS bar. I grab the heavier bar for the slow stuff since it seems to have a slightly thicker tone and more sustain. That could be my imagination. The Hughey bar is noticeably more manoeuverable for faster stuff...and that's not my imagination.
Not that I'm looking around, but who else makes chrome plated bars besdies BJS? I've never noticed any others available. |
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Leo Grassl
From:
Madison TN
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Posted 11 Oct 2011 9:02 am
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Thanks every one for your input! Its been very helpful.
Since Im nowhere near a guitar shop that has any real of selection of bars I dont really get the luxury of trying out a bar before I buy.( I should have thought of that in St. Louis) javascript:emoticon(' ')That said I was thinking of buying the Dunlop 921 to see if a 1" bar fits first, and then move on to a BJS or John Pearse.
The main reason for this is because I cant tell if a BJS 15/16" will be thick enough or if Ill be kicking myself for not getting a 1" bar. The 921 is only 18 $ on amazon and it probably wouldnt hurt to have a few bars around anyway.
Thanks again,
Leo |
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Leo Grassl
From:
Madison TN
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Posted 11 Oct 2011 6:17 pm 2 " bars
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| Hey Joe you should consider making more 2" bars! Like you said Ill bet they'd sell out fast. Let us know if you do. |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 11 Oct 2011 7:25 pm
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Another personal factor in bar diameter and length for me is finger and palm size. I have large hands and the 920 (7/8" X 3-1/4") bar is not as easy for me to hold as the 921. It is shorter than my index finger and a lot shorter than my middle and I would get cramps in the palm of my hand occasionally (also due to nerve damage). The extra 1/8" width of the 921 has a wider tangent which makes it easier for me to "roll" for vibrato and the longer length fits just right in my palm. Its all about comfort for me. The extra weight just means that much less effort pressing down on the strings, but more effort picking up, but since I dont pick the bar up as often as press down, the choice was obvious. I dont notice any difference in tone between the two personally.
Clete |
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Mike Eisler
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 11:14 am Bar size
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Leo:
I have been told by a very good steel player that the size of the bar does matter. He said the larger bars are cleaner but brighter. The 7/8 bar was used by Buddy Emmons to get a "dirtier sound", not for ease of play.
He also recommends BJS bars. I split the difference and play with a 15/16 BJS bar. Lately I've wondered if the length of the bar should be customized for the size of a persons hand.
Mike Eisler |
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Leo Grassl
From:
Madison TN
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Posted 12 Oct 2011 7:57 pm
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Clete,
How you described your issue with the 920 is identical to my situation. Rolling it, and just holding onto it in general, especially when going up on the first few strings. Just to small a bar for my hands I guess. When I tried a bigger bar moving around was much more comfortable. I ordered a 921 yesterday, it should be here by Friday. |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2011 1:30 pm
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I usually use a 1.25" X 3.75" light bar, either leaded crystal at 6 oz or delrin or MDF nylon at 4 to 5 oz. I also have four hollow steel bars, 3/4", 1" and 1.25"... but the delrin and glass are smoother. Some people try a Shubb/Pearce dobro-style steel with a handle on top, but I needs me my rounded nosejob.
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