E to Eb Lever

John DeBoalt · From: Harrisville New York USA

I'm considering adding some changes to my Carter D-10. On the current setup, the E to Eb change, and the E to F change are on the LKR,and LKL levers respectively. I had it set up this way, as that was the way my stage 1 was configured, and I wasn't comfortable with doing anything different. Now I see many steelers have the E-Eb change on the RKL. I guess my question is, is there a specific advantage to this setup,that effect other changes that may be put the instrument? Or should I just leave well enough alone? Respectivly John
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Cal Sharp · From: the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN

You're fine the way you are. The E-Eb change on the RKL was on a lot of Sho~Buds. I don't think there's any real any advantage either way. If you're comfortable with LKR I'd stick with it.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

While it all comes down to personal taste, I like, when in a minor chord with the D# lever engaged (C# minor open), hitting the 4th string, then the unison with the 2nd string and then dropping 2 a whole time. I wouldn't want those two on the same leg, as it's awkward to grab RKR with the picking hand. I've done it before

Paddy Long · From: Christchurch, New Zealand

John it's probably what you get used to - I have mine on RKL and there are a couple of things I do which would be physically impossible if I had both E raise and Lowers on the same knee -- why don't you try it on different knees and see if it works for YOU !
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I'm curious as to what they might be, paddy. I've occasionally thought of putting that D#/C# move on P10

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

I suggest you read this entire thread, think about it, perhaps (but not necessarily) try both ways, and in the end, decide what works best for you. I don't think there's anything wrong with either approach - each gives certain advantages and disadvantages, depending on the situation.

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/007769.html

There are tons of other threads on this topic - do a Google search with site:steelguitarforum.com as a search term along with other relevant search terms and you'll find lots. But anytime I see a discussion of this E/F lever placement issue without reference to that particular thread, I just say, "Start Here First". Smile

Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

The LKR and LKL levers for lowering and raising Es is pretty common, almost standard it seems. Those levers are used quite a lot. I personally think that if you learned with it in that position it may be a little setback to adapt to them in different positions, but not impossible. Since I use those levers so much more than the others, I think I would have to learn also to adapt to the volume pedal if those levers were moved to the right.
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Fred, it just leaves us to pity poor Buddy Emmons, who hung it in the wrong place all them years. Laughing

There's advantages and disadvantages to just about any placement. Paddy, above, said there's stuff he does that'd be impossible if he put D# over on the left leg; there's stuff that I do that I would have to lose if I put it where Buddy and Paddy do, unless I wanted to hit the 2nd string lower with my hand, reaching around the end of the guitar (every now and then I still do that for wanting my 6th string drop and 2nd string drop at the same time). It comes down to the balance of what you're used to v. where you get the fewest conflicts. Were it not for the awkwardness of its use, I'd contemplate putting D# on the LKV.

Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

The advantage of putting the E raises and lowers on different knees is that you can smoothly go from one to the other, without hearing a little bump on the note in between them.

The advantage of having them on the same knee is that since you never use them both at the same time, it frees whichever knee youre not using to have all the other changes you might want, which can then be used in conjunction with both the E raises and lowers.

Like so much else about the steel, there is no right or wrong and it really comes down to a matter of personal preference. My first guitar (the green one in my avatar) came with the E raise in the LKL and the lower on the LKR. At one time, I moved the E lowers to the RKL, but after a while I moved them back to the LKR. After trying it both ways, I decoded I like having the E lowers on the same knee as the raises. I'm not saying it's "the right" way, just the way I prefer.
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Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

I've had mine on separate knee since the beginning. If I ever make the change to a U12, I'd seriously consider putting both on my right knee...even though it would probably take years to unlearn things.

John Billings · From: Ohio, USA

I like them on opposite knees. I can change from the raise to the lower much faster and smoother. Or slower and smoother, with no real pause on the E note in between. whilst moving over to the next lever. I don't like my levers too close to my leg. I like a little room to wiggle! Just what I'm used to.

John DeBoalt · From: Harrisville New York USA

Thanks for all the input guys. Based on what I've read, I guess I'll leave well enough alone for the time being. There doesn't seem to be any great advantage in moving the change to the right knee. Thanks again, John
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Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

Besides John your Stage One levers can't be changed, so you'd have two guitars with two different setups. If it were me, that would probably drive me crazy. I know there are a lot of players who wouldn't have problems with it, but you'd have to make that call.
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Mike Perlowin · From: Los Angeles CA

Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

The Stage One is designed to need very, very little maintenance. I've owned mine for about 3 weeks so I am not the ultimate authority on this subject. But it has a fixed copedent and the tuning rods use hardware that cannot be removed and then put back or adjusted without damaging the hardware. I suppose if you had a supply of the clips and rods and mechanical apptitude anything is possible, but it is not done on a routine or casual basis. It is something that I had to consider before I bought one. Fortunately for me I've spent a lot of time messing around with different copedents and it's what I am used to and I have absolutely no problem with this limitation. I love my new Stage One.
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