"Don't Bogart me" who is the steeler?

Olaf van Roggen · Post by **Olaf van Roggen** » 15 Jul 2011 1:21 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xscuS9 ... re=related
I had the chance to see the movie:"Easy Rider" full screen at the movie theatre.
Fantastic experience...wonder who plays steel on this song..by Fraternity of man.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 15 Jul 2011 2:23 am

I think it's Red Rhodes. That tune sounds vaguely familiar. I was around in the "Easy Rider" days. I think I sorta, kinda, in a way you might say, remember bits and pieces of it.

I had a girlfriend that loved that movie and I had to go see it over and over...

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 15 Jul 2011 4:05 am

Don`t bogart that joint is the title of the song, actually....

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 15 Jul 2011 4:46 am

Olli Haavisto wrote:Don`t bogart that joint is the title of the song, actually....

Olli
The title of the song is, in fact, Don't Bogart Me, as sung by Elliott Ingber of the Fraternity of Man. I went to high school with his kid brother, Ira Ingber.

The steel guitarist was, indeed, the great Red Rhodes.

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 15 Jul 2011 4:53 am

Ok, my bad...
On Little Feat`s "Waiting for Columbus" it is titled Don`t Bogart that joint...
Maybe in the late sixties mentioning a joint in a song title wasn`t too radio friendly....

Storm Rosson · Post by **Storm Rosson** » 15 Jul 2011 6:21 am

I think Commander Cody and the LPA did a cut of "Don't bogart that joint" title also .

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 15 Jul 2011 8:30 am

Anybody who says they remember being there wasn't...

Olaf van Roggen · Post by **Olaf van Roggen** » 15 Jul 2011 8:42 am

thanks y'all!
Herb really,when will you be starting a book with all your memories and stories?
I saw Neil in Austin in May and he has also lots of stories of the past....

Thanks again!!

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 15 Jul 2011 11:00 am

I was in art school when that song came out and I remember sitting on the floor next to the record player at a party and playing it over and over. People were yelling at me not to Bogart the record player. BTW, while we're waiting for Herb to write a book maybe you can amuse yourselves reading my book, a country music mystery called The Beast From the Back of the Bus. Some steel guitar content.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 Jul 2011 11:15 am

When it first came out, some friends and I played it at the first Milwaukee "Be In." First time I ever played lapsteel in public. We followed some black group that played bongos and congas for about an hour. We just did that one song, and got a standing ovation! We were all blitzed on Acapulco Gold, but I remember it! We were instantly famous in the Hippy community.

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 15 Jul 2011 11:30 am

Cal Sharp wrote:I was in art school when that song came out and I remember sitting on the floor next to the record player at a party and playing it over and over. People were yelling at me not to Bogart the record player.

No man...you just thought you were playing it over and over but it was only one time. And nobody was yelling at you, that was just the paranoia kicking in.

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 15 Jul 2011 12:24 pm

Heh, maybe I was Bogarting the joint, after all.

Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 15 Jul 2011 12:36 pm

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Brendan Mitchell · Post by **Brendan Mitchell** » 15 Jul 2011 4:47 pm

Very good Andy .

Gregg Laiben · Post by **Gregg Laiben** » 15 Jul 2011 5:02 pm

Cal Sharp wrote:BTW, while we're waiting for Herb to write a book maybe you can amuse yourselves reading my book, a country music mystery called The Beast From the Back of the Bus. Some steel guitar content.

Sold! And thanks for the e-book version - makes it so easy to buy.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 15 Jul 2011 5:02 pm

very cool!...

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 15 Jul 2011 9:18 pm

Thanks, Gregg!

Nice playing, Andy!

Bas Kapitein · Post by **Bas Kapitein** » 20 Jul 2011 7:58 am

Herb,
I hardly dare to challenge your knowledge but I have doubts that Red played this break.
First of all he had a much softer tone and touch, I could always distinct him from the others. And secondly, when I started playing steel (on E9 of course) I could copy this break easily, but I had a hard time copying anything Red Rhodes was playing because of his own special tuning.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 20 Jul 2011 8:51 am

The solo pickups at 1:21 sound like Red's tuning.

You could played these notes on a regular E9 at frets 12,11,10, on strings 4,5,7. But it sounds more like strings 3,4,5 at frets 7,6,5 on E9, except that if you you the C pedal to pull the Bb up to C on beat 3, and to pull A to B on beat 4, you would also pull the lower notes (F and E) up a whole step in parallel fourths. So this is not a C pedal. Red could raise his 4th string (actually Eb in his case) without raising the 5th, so this mitigates toward its being Red.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 20 Jul 2011 8:53 am

But those 2 strings move together so closely that it sounds more like somebody mashing 2 pedals than pedal+knee.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 20 Jul 2011 10:46 am

http://allmusic.com/album/fraternity-of ... 31/credits
While allmusic doesn't list a steel guitar on the FOM self titled LP, there was obviously steel on at least 2 cuts. Don't Bogart Me and Last Call for Alcohol. They also credit Kibbee for bass, but I have to assume that the list is incomplete as the following one credits Ira Ingber with bass on the tune in question.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Red+Rhode ... All&q=&p=3
Page 3 #12 near the bottom credits Red. This is a work titled Then and Now a compilation of SF recordings apparently, and doesn't specifically list the 1968 record date, but I don't see any listing for another recording of Bogart for them anywhere else.

Bas Kapitein · Post by **Bas Kapitein** » 20 Jul 2011 12:32 pm

The record sleeve of Red's own record "Velvet Hammer" statet that he did session work for the Fraternity also he started rewinding pick-ups at that time.I replayed my earliest recording of him and yes the sound could be very well be him. His tuning revealed that he could easily play basic E9 stuff. I guess later on with Michal Nesmith he choosed to play his own phrases and in his session work played whatever was wanted of him.
I guess I own Herb and Jerry an apology

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 20 Jul 2011 1:05 pm

None necessary on my account Bas. There are a lot of unclear aspects about recordings in earlier years. Lord knows I've had much confusion about some of them.

Who knows? More details may come to light before it's over.

Cheers.

Rene Brosseau · Post by **Rene Brosseau** » 23 Oct 2014 5:45 pm

Cool Andy !!!

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 25 Oct 2014 3:20 pm

Good job Andy...Got that Bakersfield sound.

BF