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Topic: unusual C6th pedal in Winnie Winston book? |
Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 1:07 am |
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I noticed in the copedent charts in the back of the Winnie Winston book, there's a few C6 setups that have an unusual C6th pedal, like P5 in this (Jimmy Crawford's) setup...
I've never seen this change anywhere else. What is it used for? Does anyone here have this pedal?
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Rick Winfield
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 2:14 am dated
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My copy of this book is from '79, and that change is on pedal #9. There are also some other differences. Is it possible that Winnie "updated" versions of his publication?
An Eb9 perhaps,(1,5,b7,9)?
Rick |
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Paul Hoaglin
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 3:33 am
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| I had also noticed this set of pulls in a few copedents in Winnie's book. Buddy Cage and Doug Jernigan both have it on their pedal 4, and Jimmy Crawford has it on pedal 9 in the Winston book, although it's on pedal 5 in his copedent listed in Guitar Player Magazine from April of 1981 (his full-fledged 10x10 "Crawford Cluster" detailed therein). I'm looking into adding a pedal 9 to my 8x5 1977 MSA Classic D-10 (from Paul Wade, thanks Paul!), and that pull struck me as unique enough to wonder about its potential uses. A good voicing of a 3rdless 9th chord for some nice clean chords, and I'm sure there are other unforeseen interval benefits when used with the other pedals/levers. Anyone use it on a regular basis, and how useful do you find it? |
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 6:20 am Re: dated
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| Rick Winfield wrote: |
My copy of this book is from '79, and that change is on pedal #9. There are also some other differences. Is it possible that Winnie "updated" versions of his publication?
An Eb9 perhaps,(1,5,b7,9)?
Rick |
I found that chart somewhere on the forum...I think it's from the "Manual of Style" book, not from the "Pedal Steel Guitar" book...but the pedal is in Crawford's setup in the PSG book, as well as Jernigan's and Buddy Cage's.
Could be a Bb root:
G 6th (or b7 with G to G# raise)
E b5 (or 5th with E to F change, or 4th with E to Eb)
C 9th or b9 (with C to B lever) or 3rd (with C to C# lever)
A maj7 or b7 (with A to Ab lever) or root (with A to Bb lever)
G 6th
F 5th or b5 (split with the E to Eb change to get an E, or Fb actually)
Db b3
Bb R
Eb 11th
C 9th (or 3rd with C to D change)
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Rick Winfield
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 8:13 am third
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the 3rd for the Eb9th chord would be the open G string #5.From there it could be altered.You've got lotsa good ideas opened up.
Always meant to get book 2, perhaps now is the time. 
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Jan Jonsson
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Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 11:45 am
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Hi,
Richard Nelson uses this change (as do Doug Jernigan and Terry Bethel) and this is what he wrote about it in an old thread: "Now my 4th pedal , which has been the topic of many a thread before, is the Jernigan change . Now he showed me this in 2000 and I blindly had it put on by the wonderful Dick Millar. On open tuning this gives you a Eb 7 +4 with 9 on the root . If you use this on tri-tone sub changes it sounds great. It's really the same as using pedal 5 except go down 1 and play around . Use this 2 below the home key.....ie play on fret 10 before moving to 12 G7- C you get G7 altered. I notice that Terry does not raise 8 on his change , that is because he can do it on another pedal- knee.... very subtle the difference in having the 4+ higher or lower. I relly think Terry's changes are going to become standard in years to come ..... he is away ahead of us."
The entire thread can be found here:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=84056
-- Jan
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 1:47 pm
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Cool, thanks! That's very helpful...it makes sense. Definitely going to try that.
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David Mason
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 2:12 pm
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| That's somewhat similar to Paul Franklin's, too. Some people are smarter than me.... |
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 3:37 pm
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| You can get almost the same voicing by taking the 9th string down a whole step on regular pedal 8 and adding KL that raises A's to Bb's.....I started doing this a few years ago and then noticed Bruce Bouton has it on his 8th pedal,too!JS |
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Rick Schmidt
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Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 11:22 pm
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| John Swain wrote: |
| You can get almost the same voicing by taking the 9th string down a whole step on regular pedal 8 and adding KL that raises A's to Bb's.....I started doing this a few years ago and then noticed Bruce Bouton has it on his 8th pedal,too!JS |
That's what I do too John.  |
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