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Posted: **26 Jul 2010 3:08 am**

Well did this auction end well or badly for the winner ? Sold For: US $688.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0612028253

I'd like to know more about this particular model Fender please ?

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:26 am**

Fender/Shobud bargain or not ?

YES YES YES - even with the pot metal parts.

I have seen ShoBud Mavericks sold for a lot more than this on eBay. Are you the buyer then Basil?

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:32 am**

Considering functionality for today, maintenance and parts issues, and in the last photo the pedal bar is clearly bent out of shape... I think the seller came out on top.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 6:37 am**

I bought it. I haven't received it yet, so I'll post details of serial number, etc., when it turns up.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 6:46 am**

It's an Artist Single 10 from the 1970s. It should be very similar to a Sho-Bud Super Pro, according to this website.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 7:40 am**

It looks like a pretty good deal for both parties IMHO.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 9:18 am**

i think it's a good deal Alan
as long as there are no surprises & it can be tuned & played
they do sound much better than a Mav
i thought this basic model only had 1 knee lever
this one has 4 ?

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 11:59 am**

I had one of these guitars many years ago. As I've said before. . . . .it played great but had the twang of a telecaster instead of a commercial sounding steel. I have wished many times however that I had of kept it because they are hard to find and are now collector guitars.

Nick

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 12:07 pm**

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Posted: **26 Jul 2010 12:47 pm**

It's a bargain at that price, I paid more to get the cat back from the Vet !

Nice axe, enjoy it !

T

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 6:47 am**

Sho-Bud built 4400 guitars for Fender between 1976 and 1977 (3 shifts working 7 days a week) The top of the range was The Artist Dual Pro D10 (8 + 4) followed by the Artist S10 (3 + 4) and then the Fender Student S10 with 3 + 1. Two colors available Black and Mahogany Lacquer. I have a D10 in "AS NEW" condition. When I bought it,it was missing the pedal rack, as the previous owner bought it as a stand up steel and never used the pedals, and somewhere along the way the pedal rack was mislayed. Anyway, Jeff Seratt of Show-Pro guitars made a new pedal rack for me , and it looks and works great, much nicer than the original.

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 8:21 am**

I turned down one for $350. Twice!

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 8:49 am**

I passed on one at a music store bargain sale and have regretted it ever since. It would have been a great project and conversation piece whether it was played or not!

Always remember the conventional wisdom that: "The value of anything depends on it's worth to the owner or the prospective buyer." To everyone else, it's just junk.

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 9:39 am**

Ted Nesbitt wrote:Sho-Bud built 4400 guitars for Fender between 1976 and 1977 (3 shifts working 7 days a week)

Not to hijack the thread, but that is an interesting statistic. Sho-Bud was going full bore to build steel guitars for Fender. I wonder how many Sho-Bud brand guitars were built at the height of the company's production?

In the modern era, how many Carters were built in a year?

4400 Sho-Bud/Fenders in a two year period, that's a lot of pedal steel guitars!

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 10:35 am**

I have a doule 10+4. I played it a lot. It has super sound. Totally different from any other steel guitar I have heard. The draw back is as people mention often is the pot metal Knee levers. Mr Morehead is fixing that part for me now. Like I say it is a great guitar. I think the weight may be a draw back, but the guitar shares that fault with a lot of guitars. I think the difference in the sound is because it has the sho-bud style pickups. I keep the guitar because, it is a D10, it plays great, deserves a better picker and I would hate to see it gutted, stripped. I am not much of a collector or to sentimental, but this guitar is worth keeping in orginal shape, except for the knee levers. I have ordered replacement knee levers, however, I may not replace them right now.

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 5:19 pm**

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Posted: **30 Jul 2010 5:22 pm**

There's something about that ad that just screams Don Draper.

Posted: **30 Jul 2010 5:35 pm**

Nicholai Steindler wrote:There's something about that ad that just screams Don Draper.

i was looking for her belly button myself!!

Posted: **31 Jul 2010 4:06 pm**

Basil, Hi-Gus York here,
Met your son at a gig in Stratford on Avon last Fri, had a brief chat and that
was that!
As far as the Fender Artist range (built by Shobud) A very good friend of mine
Mark Goodwin was head of Marketing at CBS here in the UK in the late
70's, and when the company became CBS/Arbiter they decided steel guitars were not for them! Because Mark and I had been on sessions together he figured
I was the best man to get rid of their stock os PSG's! So eventually I was able to buy the guitars at a special rate from CBS/Arb. Having put the word out about
these guitars, I sold the entire stock within about 2months, all to Uk players.
The Artist range was brilliant at the time, very much like the SuperPro but with
a distinct Fender sound. I still know a player in Devon who has the D10 model
(black version), and knowing him it will still be 'As New'. I also remember
included in the list was a brand spanking new Fender 1000(?) 'sunburst' cable
model! I sold that pretty quick too!
If you need any more info on them or who has one give me a shout or em
on gus@gusyork.co.uk. All the best, Gus York.
PS Re your original question- I would have said that was a pretty good deal!

Posted: **31 Jul 2010 4:15 pm**

Michael Hi,
Gus York here-That 'Finger Pickin Good' brochure you posted-I remember
having some of those with the guitars I sold! But I always wondered why
chickens didn't use volume pedals?? Hah!

Posted: **31 Jul 2010 5:36 pm**

Yet they did use giant triangular flatpicks and Nick Manoloff student bars? Maybe those chickens know something we don't!

Posted: **31 Jul 2010 6:56 pm**

Each of those chickens seems to have lost a toe on each foot.

Posted: **6 Aug 2010 1:16 pm**

It arrived today. I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet, but here are some preliminary photos...

As you can see, its serial number is 0023.

Posted: **7 Aug 2010 6:10 pm**

I set it up today. It's been well used but it's in very good condition. I see what people meant about the tone sounding like Stratocaster. I had the tone on my Peavey Nashville set up for a Guyatone D8, and the Fender sounded very metallic with very little bass in comparison. I had to use the tone controls on the amplifier to compensate for it more than any other PSG that I have. If I fitted a pickup from a cable-operated Fender that might make it sound more like a Fender PSG. It certainly doesn't sound like a Sho-Bud. I'm curious as to why Sho-Bud turned over their production line to produce instruments for their major competitor.

Posted: **7 Aug 2010 6:50 pm**

And yet, the pickup is the same as is on the ShoBud Super pro..

FENDER/SHO-BUD
In the early 1970's the Fender Guitar Company contracted Sho-Bud to produce a Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steel. This model and the Super Pro were very similar in design except for the body and the key head. The undercarriage was basically the same as used on the future Super Pro. These Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steels had the ash tray Fender style keyhead. The changer used was a triple raise-double lower, and was similar to the Super Pro changer. Other than the changer and undercarriage, this model had a look that was different than the regular Sho-Buds.

Shot wasn't involved in this venture, It was the "Music City Mfg.," company, owned by David Jackson that did the Fender contract. 4400 steels were made for Fender in a one year period by David Jackson. This is a common misconception, everyone thinks that Shot Jackson was at head of Sho-Bud production mfg.when it was David that did 90% of all of the guitars with the "Sho-Bud" logo and 100% of the Fender guitars, as a matter of fact, Shot Jackson was totaly against David doing the deal with Fender, he figured it would be a bad deal where there was a chance that David could lose the company to Fender. This is the way the Fender lawyers worded the contract: "If Music City Mfg. didn't perform on the contract 100%, in one year, Fender could take over and finish the contract themselves. Shot hated this deal, David thought he could do it, and DID! When the contract was filled, most of the Fender designed parts and tooling went into the "NEW" Sho-Bud Super Pro steel guitar. See, David really came out the big winner, he sold Fender 4400 steel guitars, Fender paid for all the tooling, and at the end, David Jackson built the next great Sho-Bud from the Fender tooling. Shot was three blocks away just hoping his son wouldn't loose everything he had. He didn't. David later sold the company to Fred Grestch, (after a second big run of steels to the "Baldwin co." in Cincinnati OH.) Dec.31,1984.

Technically, there were TWO Sho-Bud companies at the same time, Shot Jackson's at 416 Broadway, Nashville, and David Jackson's, "Music City Manufacturing" on Second Ave. North.(three blocks from his Daddy's store). David did the high steel guitar production numbers while Shot built Dobros,lap steels, did mostly custom guitars, Retail sales and repairs. Very low volume, but high profile.

Shot seems to get the credit today for the production steels built from '68 upward when he really had almost nothing to do with it at all. Of course, there would have been no David if it hadn't been for his daddy "Shot"!

bobbeseymour

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