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Daniel McKee
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Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 25 May 2010 5:16 pm |
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| anybody know who played pedal steel on joe carsons song from the mid to early sixties song passion and pride and what kind of steel it was. |
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Ben Rubright
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Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Posted 25 May 2010 5:37 pm
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'Passion and Pride' was recorded not in the 60's but rather in the 50's. Joe Carson recorded 4 songs for Capitol on December 14, 1956 at the Capitol Recording Studio, Vine Street in Hollywood. Produced by Ken Nelson. They are as follows:
Crazy Dream
Take me in Your Arms
Love Transfusion
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Passion and Pride.
The musicians on the session are as follows:
Tommy Allsup, lead guitar
Joe Maphis, fiddle, Session Leader
Buck Owens, rhythm guitar
Ralph Mooney, steel guitar
Bud Dooley, bass
Pee Wee Adams, drums
Jelly Sanders, fiddle
I would bet all I that own that it was an 8-string Fender that Ralph Mooney played.
These 4 recordings made me a Joe Carson fan forever. They did not do well in the ratings game and so he never recorded anymore for Capitol...their loss!!!
Last edited by Ben Rubright on 26 May 2010 3:22 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Jody Sanders
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Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 25 May 2010 5:52 pm
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| "Double Life" is my favorite Joe Carson song. Jody. |
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Bob Tuttle
From:
Republic, MO 65738
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Posted 25 May 2010 6:47 pm
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| Ralph was probably playing his home-made guitar. I don't think Fender had a pedal steel until 1957. |
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 25 May 2010 7:24 pm
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What a great album this was/is. I still have to bring it out and play it. Has it ever been reissued on CD?
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Ben Rubright
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Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
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Posted 25 May 2010 7:39 pm
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Bob:
You are probably right about it being a home made steel (Sure glad I didn't bet!!)......the CD that I have is a Bear Family Record production.
Jody: 'Double Life' is one of my favorites as well and also the Billy Mize composition of 'Who Will Buy the Wine'.
In a conversation some years ago with Bob White, he said that he played on Joe's first recordings and if you listen to them, it is certainly Bob White.
I love talking about the old days and who did what with whom. Thanks for coming in guys and setting the record straight.
I certainly enjoy being a Jody Sanders 'Honorary Texan'.....thanks Jody!! |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 26 May 2010 12:50 pm
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| i kind of thought it sounded like a fender steel but i didnt know i heard that fender come out with the 1000 pedal steel in 1952 but i had never heard that before until i saw it on the internet. |
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Brett Lanier
From:
Hermitage, TN
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Posted 27 May 2010 12:33 pm
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| Ralph said that he even used the homemade guitar on sessions with Buck Owens. The first time he brought a Fender to record with Buck, Buck told him to go and get the homemade guitar because it sounded better, but Ralph had worn it out. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 27 May 2010 1:22 pm
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I remember Joe Carson well:
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 27 May 2010 2:03 pm
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| that guy is from an older television show cant remember which one.When did the fender 1000 come out i heard it was 1952 was that true is it for sure it was not a 1000 on the joe carson recording. Is there any moving picture footage of joe carson in existence. |
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Bob Tuttle
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Republic, MO 65738
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Posted 27 May 2010 2:43 pm
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| The Fender 1000 did not come out in '52. I'm pretty sure it was 1957. I bought a new T-8 Custom in 1953 and I don't think the stringmasters were even out yet. (actually my Dad bought it for me. I was only 14 years old). |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 27 May 2010 3:32 pm
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| i dont remember where i saw that but i did somewhere i had never heard that but i didnt know.What happened to joe carson i know he only lived to be twenty seven. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 27 May 2010 6:16 pm
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During one of my stints at Bonnie Price's Foothill Club in SoCal our band leader (Billy Mize) sang Joe Carson's "Helpless". I'd never really listened to the song much and just stayed pretty much to the melody for my steel ride. At break time Billy asked me if I'd ever heard the record and I told him I had but didn't remember much about it. He told me that he'd played steel on Joe Carson's cut of that plus some other things. Later at the end of the night he showed me how he did it. If I remember right, the tuning he cut it with was an E13th and he said he used a Fender 1000. He had a pedal that raised the high E to F#, sorta like what Mooney had and used that change against the A & B pedals for some nice sounding steel work. If you've got access to Joe's recording of "Helpless" check out the steel ride, it's some good stuff! Billy's known so much for his singing and song writing that sometimes his steel playing days are overlooked!.......JH in Va.....
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 27 May 2010 6:46 pm
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Jerry, this confirms what I've heard that Billy was on the album. His style was very similar to Moon's, but mellower. It definitely sounds like Moon on some of the cuts but a different player on others. I don't think the whole album was cut at one time.
The album I have is called "In Memoriam, Joe Carson" on Liberty. The liner notes were written by Devvy Davenport, Country Music review, May 1964.
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Jeff Keyton
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 27 May 2010 8:21 pm
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On the Bear family reissue I prefer the later stuff, I guess that is from Liberty. Nice to know that was Billy Mize, I thought it was Moon, too. I think but not sure that Glen Campbell is singing high (very high) harmony on "Helpless" could be wrong about that too. Great stuff. Any of you guys ever see him in a show ?, I know he died pretty young.
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Bill Fisher
From:
Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 27 May 2010 9:24 pm
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Joe Carson died in a car accident - 1964.
Bill |
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Tracy Sheehan
From:
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 28 May 2010 12:34 pm Little Joe Carson?
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If this was Little Joe Carson as he was called i was playing for him in Wichita Falls,Tx. where he had the car accident. As he was put into the ambluance his injuries were though not to be serious but he died on the way to the hospital from a brain concussion as i recall.
I take it this is the same Joe Carson being discussed.Tracy
I may have got my Carsons mixed up. Little Joe i worked with was a singer and also played fiddle. When i first met Little Joe Carson he was playing fiddle for the Jimmy Heap Tx.swing band. |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 28 May 2010 2:27 pm
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| does anyone know what joe carsons last recording was. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 28 May 2010 3:21 pm
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Probably "Double Life/Fort Worth Jail"; recorded in the summer of 1963, released in 1964.
His only LP came out after his accident. The CD came out a few years ago.
I think his first was "Passion and Pride/Love Transfusion" from late 1956. |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 28 May 2010 7:28 pm
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| its hard to find much about joe carson does anyone know how high he got on the country charts i know he had some that charted. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 28 May 2010 7:37 pm
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Billboard charts:
I gotta get drunk reached 27.
Helpless reached 19
Double life reached 34.
All between August 63 and March 64.
I frankly don't remember hearing them at the time on the west coast. He may have been a bigger deal in Texas. |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 29 May 2010 12:42 pm
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| i heard he did more around nashville and the southern part of the united states than anywhere. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 29 May 2010 8:27 pm
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I used to see Little Joe Carson on "Cal's Corral" frequently when he was in Los Angeles.
The harmony singer on "Helpless," if memory serves, was Johnny Western.
Joe's son, Randy Carson, is a forumite.
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Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 30 May 2010 1:01 pm
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| i just recently found out about randy carson i saw his page while looking at the joe carson page on myspace he is a good singer to i liked his song that is a tribute to joe carson i believe its called daddys song. |
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Randy Carson
From:
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 8:00 pm
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Glen Campbell was the harmony singer on Helpless, Double Life, and the Last Song..as well as playing guitar at the same time he was singing.
The memorial album has Nashville cuts on it with Buddy Emmons on the obvious cuts.
Ralph played a homemade steel with one pedal on Passion and Pride...The last song he recorded was Fraulein for the up coming album, about two weeks later he got in the accident..lived 36 hours and died of a blood clot to the heart from a bad broken leg. The Forumite that may have played with my dad must have done so at a different time as he didn't at the time of his death..it's been a long time though..But he is correct my dad was a fiddle player and if he was working as a singer he was working as a fiddle player in a swing band
Most think Helpless was his biggest hit but I Gotta Get Drunk sold almost 500,000 copies first order was for 80,000 according to Snuff Garrett as Tommy Allsup said it was a huge Jukebox hit..
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Randy |
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