Clarence White

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 28 May 2010 10:48 pm

Here he is with his stringbender.

Probably just messin' around with it.

Listen to the pace of this song.

Astounding. To me, anyway.

Back then, we never heard this kinda stuff.

Minds were blown.

http://picosong.com/FHb

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 29 May 2010 5:29 am

Awesome track. Clarence was the man. The album was recorded in 1966, released in 1967 so that could be pre B-bender Clarence, which is every bit as good. (I actually like it better).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2010 6:31 am

Beats me Dave,

I'm not sure of just when the B-bender was introduced, but you are probably right, as Clarence and Gene Parsons collaborated on it, and this was when Clarence actually became a full-fledged member of the Byrds.

"Time Between" was off of the Younger Than Yesterday album. That was still when record companies didn't allow 'outside' artists to record with 'their' groups.
I think Mcguinn definitely snuck Clarence in the back door on this one.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 29 May 2010 8:17 am

At the same year Clarence also played on the "Gene Clark with the Gosdin Brothers" record.
Really good.
Those were the days!
One of my favourites of him is another recording where he trades licks with Jesse Ed Davis on a Marc Benno album.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 29 May 2010 8:56 am

Yes. He does a really great outro on one of the Gosdin tunes. Can't remember the title but the picking knocks me out!

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2010 12:08 pm

Joachim,

First time I ever heard of both Jesse Ed Davis and Marc Benno.

Who are these guys? Without pokin' the web-O-matic.

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 29 May 2010 12:30 pm

jesse was with Taj Mahal in the late 60's. Appeared on Jackson Brown's hit Dr My Eyes, and was part of the COncert for Bangla Desh band with George Harrison. Not sure what else. Haven't heard of Mark Benno.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 29 May 2010 12:41 pm

Thanks for asking Chip,
Jesse Ed Davis was a red indian from Tulsa, Oklahoma who started playing at a very young age in Conway Twitty's band (along with forum member Gene Jones on steel), then went to California to play wih Leon Russel, who was also from Oklahoma.
He then joined the bluesman Taj Mahal and played some incredible stuff on his first three records. He later played with Gene Clark of the Byrds, then John Lennon, Ringo and George Harrison.
Marc Benno made some great records in the early seventies. On the album called "Minnows" there's a track where they both (Jesse and Clarence) are featured.
http://www.amazon.com/Minnows-Marc-Benno/dp/B000006ZBB

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2010 2:15 pm

This is great history. I'm gonna check out these cats fer sure.

BTW, when I was starting as a teenager, there was a converted bowling alley into a downstairs folk coffee house, as we called it back then.
The place was called the "Pesky Sarpent" [maybe serpent]. On Page Boulevard.

Anyway, I saw some great acts there. Right here in little old Springfield, MA. But it was actually on the Washington DC - New York - Boston folk corridor route, at the time.

Got to see the Taj. What a great performer and interpreter and musician.

And also, he's a native son of Springfield, MA., and did a stint at farming in Palmer, MA; A border town of Monson. Until now, I was unaware of Taj's stint as a farmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal_%28musician%29

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 29 May 2010 3:41 pm

Loved Time Between for years.. An old favorite of mine.
Its stuff any decent tele string bender type guitarist can play today, but remember, old CW was doing it 45 years ago.
The mold was broken when Clarance White left us.... bob

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2010 4:40 pm

Thanks Carlucci,

Where've you been hiding?

You are a brilliant musician and historical doctor.

I [we] miss you.

Thanks for your reply, Bob

Keep 'em Comin'

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 29 May 2010 4:57 pm

Chip Fossa wrote:Thanks Carlucci,

Where've you been hiding?

You are a brilliant musician and historical doctor.

I [we] miss you.

Thanks for your reply, Bob

Keep 'em Comin'

I'm lurking around Chip... Just not posting much these days... The Byrds are my favorite band of all time.. I saw McGuinn/ White 3 times when they were together in the Byrds, and the interplay of Rogers Ric 370-12, and Clarance's tele was a joy to listen to.

Each of them had their guitars run through 4-FOUR!! Fender Super Reverb amps!!.. Some big twang goin' on there! Can you imagine??/. Eight Supers on the same stage! bob

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 29 May 2010 5:32 pm

There will be some twangin' tonight in Petaluma to see The Desert Rose Band with original Byrd Chris Hillman, plus Herb, Jay Dee, John Jorgenson, etc.

Dave, are you going to be there for that one, or do you have a gig that you can't escape?

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 29 May 2010 5:44 pm

Actually I have the night off and I'm staying home. Already getting into the gin and tonics after a big day getting the garden ready to plant tomorrow.

Saw them in the mid '80's in Southern California at a huge country music festival. I think they only had the first album out. Marty Stewart went on before them and (speaking of Clarence), Marty was playing Clarence White's B-Bender Tele. I think Jeff Fishell was on steel.

That's all I remember...........

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 29 May 2010 5:48 pm

Sounds like a takeoff of "Western Union". You can see Clarence's B bender Tele being played every Saturday night by Marty Stuart on the Marty Stuart show on RFD T.V. at 8:00. It went to a good home.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2010 9:02 pm

I too, have a 370-12 Ricki.

You affaciandos - check this out.

I think it's the big deal.

Listen to the samples. Lotta dinaro though.

I ain't got that kind of bread now.

http://janglebox.com

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 29 May 2010 9:55 pm

Dave Zirbel wrote:Awesome track. Clarence was the man. The album was recorded in 1966, released in 1967 so that could be pre B-bender Clarence, which is every bit as good. (I actually like it better).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's probably right. To me, the only licks that sound Bender-like seem to be in open position, so though he could be making early use of the bender, seems to me more likely he's bending the B string behind the nut.

Time Between has been a favorite of mine since the Younger Than Yesterday album first came out; it was a couple of years later that I learned McGuinn wasn't the one playing those supremely tasty licks. I still never get tired of listening to those fills. The "Bender-y"-sounding ones aren't even my favorites; every note is a gem.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 30 May 2010 3:38 am

"Girl with no name" is the other track from the album on which he plays, at least that's how I hear it.

I think the British band Starry Eyed And Laughing, deserves a mention here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdv8yVyTfIw

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 30 May 2010 4:00 am

Keep it coming, fellas.

Another reason why I love this Forum....

YOU GUYS GET IT!!

The dummies I play with...........they do not get it........they go through the motions and even play the songs OK.

But they have no HEART.

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 30 May 2010 4:18 am

Tho,

Still have to love Mcguinn.

Ole stodger Roger - He is of a mind set. I love the dude.

I do have a problem with him where he decided some Indian Mystics had the right idea, and scolded JIM for continuing to use that name.

"JIM" - a perfect Irish name, and they, non-english speaking yocals, said Jim, after much deliberation and consternation feel that you should be now known as ROGER. What a F%%#%$
laugh.

This is a joke.

He is and always will be [in my little mind]

Jim Mcguinn - founder of the unbelievable BYRDS

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 30 May 2010 6:26 am

Brint Hannay wrote:
Time Between has been a favorite of mine since the Younger Than Yesterday album first came out

Desert Rose did an excellent rendition of Time Between last night, I know they recorded a version of it on their first album.

Dave, you should have laid off the Gin & Tonics last night and gone down to Petaluma for the show. You missed a great one!

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 30 May 2010 1:51 pm

"Girl With No Name"

http://picosong.com/FdQ

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 31 May 2010 5:55 am

Chip Fossa wrote:
Got to see the Taj. What a great performer and interpreter and musician.

From what I've read Clarence often went to see the Rising Sons ( T.Mahal, Ry Cooder, and a bass player ) at a club in L.A. Their drummer was short time Byrds member Kevin Kelly.
I have seen the Byrds in 1970, at a festival in Frankfurt. I imagine that it was there, where he got the sticker he had on his guitar from then on.

nick allen · Post by **nick allen** » 1 Jun 2010 1:41 am

I seem to remember an album by Marc Benno and Leon Russel together, late 60s/early 70s. I also seem to remember Clapton playing on a Marc Benno record...
Nick

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 1 Jun 2010 9:07 am

nick allen wrote:I seem to remember an album by Marc Benno and Leon Russel together, late 60s/early 70s. I also seem to remember Clapton playing on a Marc Benno record...
Nick

They ( Russel and Benno ) made two albums together under the name of Asylum Choir. The first called "Look inside" shows Leon's skills as an arranger, and judging from the amount of instruments involved, it wasn't cheap to produce.
The Marc Benno record you remember is "Lost In Austin" with Clapton and Albert Lee.