The Steel Guitar Forum

I have a question for Paul, or anyone else who might know.

I want to add some pulls and a vertical lever to my guitar. Once I add the lever I'll have a 9x7, so I should have plenty to keep me busy. Obviously a 3x1 would keep me busy enough, but I feel like I've advanced to the point that i could use some of the more modern changes, and it will make it easier to use some of the more advanced steel courses.

I'd like to set my E9 up like Mr. Franklin's so that I can use any of his educational materials, and to modernize my changes. Right now it is set up the way my dad had it back in the 80s when the article about Paul came out in the steel guitar magazine.

Is the copedent listed on this website up to date or has it changed? Thanks.

Never mind, he has it listed http://www.paul-franklin.com/talking.html.

According to this copedent, he is raising his low G# to B. Is this current? Has Paul done away with the E lower and gone back to the B raise?

I thought the E lower sounded way cool. I believe i'll put it on mine regardless, since it will do it, instead of the B raise, and try it out. If I don't like it, I'll just move a rod.

<center>


</center>

Thanks b0b.

Zach,

It is correct.....I have several steels and most raise the G# to B...That change is very cool in todays settings......One steel lowers the G# to E and is very cool...If the music was more traditional based I would have that change on most of my guitars.....More pedals, more fun!

Paul

"More pedals, more fun!"

My thoughts exactly. Why would anyone want to play anything else? I can't learn to use 'em if I don't have 'em. Thanks Paul and b0b. Now i'll just have to get a few parts.

"More pedals, more fun"...Jimmie Crawford is smiling up above over that quote ...and I agree....I have the G# to B change on my two main guitars and love it....(and damn, I miss Jimmie )

Zach, if I remember your setup correctly, you should only have to move the pull rods to a different slot on the bellcrank to get the 1 and 7 to raise a full step. I guess you'd need a bellcrank and rod for the second string (extras of which I may have at a later date). Let me know how it comes out.

I think you're right Kyle. I'm going to change around what I can do myself, and I'll have Mr. Franklin or Jeff Surrat add the lever and a half stop on the first string. I'll try to get it done in the next few weeks. Mine is almost there as it sits, yours was a different situation.

It's never occurred to me to either raise my sixth to B, or lower it to E.

I'm curious to know the benefits of these changes, I might add one to my setup, possibly with a heel pedal à la Barry Gaskell

I raise my middle F# to G# on a pedal. For a while I had a lever that lowered the same string to F# to E, for a "strummable" effect. One day I suddenly realized that I could take the string seamlessly from E to G# (or G# to E). As Paul says, it's very cool. Radical, even. Lots of fun, even if it is a bit gimmicky.

It's pedal #4 that baffles my brain!

Is it really 9 pulls on one pedal ????? If so, wow!!!!

From what I've seen or heard of Paul's setup, I thought his LKV did raise the G# to B rather than lower it to E. I could be wrong but I thought he had that on his web site at one time. Of course he could have changed by now. I would also be interested in the amount of detuning or cabinet drop with pedal 4. Even though there are 9 pulls it seems close to balanced with the raises and lowers. I would like to see that on a meter.

On Paul's RKR lever, I also thought there was a 1/2 stop at G on strings 1 and 7?

Greg,
I'm pretty sure there is a half stop. Mine will have one. I use the F# to G change to much to guess at it.

Harry,
Paul said earlier in the thread that most of his guitars raise to B, but he has one set up to lower to E.

Correct on the str 1 and 7 half-stop.

Rick Schmidt wrote:It's pedal #4 that baffles my brain!

Is it really 9 pulls on one pedal ????? If so, wow!!!!

That's because you don't have a Franklin.

I had those changes on my 4th pedal and it was easy to use barefoot.

My Triple Neck Franklin still lowers the G# to E......I use half stops on 1 and 7.....
I use the exact gauges of my Jagwire set.....plain 020 for the G# works for either the lower to E or the raise to B.

PF

Thanks Paul, I really appreciate it.

I switched my Fessy U12 to incorporate Paul Franklin's P4 setup (based the chart B0b posted in ths thread). It is a great addition to my E9 playability.

I see on that same chart that Paul has an additional raise on pedal 3 that raises the 8th string from E to F#. What does that raise provide since the 7th string is already tuned to F#?

How the heck does the sixth string come back in tune from E?

On RKR, does he have to pull all the strings on E9 up to get the A to Bb change on C6? Does the Bb land on the half-step?

Paul,
I recently saw a photocopy of a copedant (said to be yours) that showed you had combined the 9 & 10 string lowers (boo wah) with your 9 pedal that raises c to C# & drops E to D. Is that current or was that a passing thing? Also - let me go one record as saying that the 5 pedal that raises F to A, A to C, & C to D is the greatest thing since sliced bread! Great idea - thanks!
Jim

Paul, you mentioned the triple neck, do you use the baritone neck anymore ?

Tony

ttt

ttt