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Dwight Lewis
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:31 am |
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I hear some people say 1st,2nd,3rd chord,....etc.., and then some say and A chord or C chord. I am learning the steel guitar what does this mean and how can I put it from words and paper to the guitar itself. Is there some kind of mathmatical equation?
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John Roche
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Dwight Lewis
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Huntsville, Alabama
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 6:09 am Numbering System
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John , much thanks to you. God Bless
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Roger Rettig
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 7:09 am
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It's a useful system, Dwight, that allows us to communicate the chords of a song without committing to a specific key.
1,4,5 in the key of C is, of course, C,F and G; if you know your scales you're off and running.
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Mickey Adams
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 7:10 am Number System
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Ronnie Boettcher
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:18 am
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example: just say you are playing a song in the key of C. The basic chords for that song is: C-F-G, and then maybe D. The scale in C is C D E F G A B. Using the numbers in place of the letters is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. So in the key of C, the chords are 1-4-5, and sometimes the 2 chord. If your playing in the key of G, letters are G-C-D. using the numbers, it is still 1-4-5. Whatever the key your song is in, the basic chords are the 1-4-5.
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Larry Bell
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 12:01 pm
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You won't get the most benefit out of the numbers system until you start THINKING in numbers. Instead of thinking C to Dm to F to G you will think 1 2m 4 5. What does this get you? If you know how to navigate the numbers (e.g., I'm playing the 1 chord where do I find the 2m?) it doesn't matter what key you are playing in.
Once you learn these common transitions (like 1 to 4 or 1 to 2m or 1 to 5) it won't matter if you are playing in C or Ab -- if it goes from C to Dm (1 to 2m) in C as soon as you move the tone center from C to Ab the MOVEMENT (bar / pedal / frets up or down) to go from 1 to 2m is the same regardless of the key.
People with a limited musical literacy will talk about the 'off' chord when you run into a 3 chord, for example. Like the first two chords of 'A Fool Such as I' -- in C it's C to E. Soon you'll stop thinking of it as 'the off chord' and think of it as 'the 3 chord'. You know what it sounds like and where to find it (one fret back from the 4 chord, which most players find easily).
When someone says, '5 5 1 1 on the intro -- Crazy Arms in D' you will know the first chord is A or A7 and you play that for two measures and then go back to the 1 chord (D in this example) for two measures. Anyone who plays in a bar band, particularly one that has 'guest artists' who sit in and sing a tune or two, will benefit greatly from the quick, accurate communication you get by using 'the numbers'.
Just my take on it. It is central to the way many of us think about music.
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Dwight Lewis
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Posted 14 Jan 2010 11:06 am Chords.... keys or numbers
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I am learning , this has been a big leg up for me. Any more info would be uch appreciated.
Dwight
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Brian McGaughey
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Orcas Island, WA USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2010 9:32 pm
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You can take what Larry Bell said to the bank! I've been working to get away from letters and think numbers for all the reasons he mentioned.
Also Dwight, in case you don't know of it, this is a great sight for learning some basic theory, it's easy and fast and has a trainer section to test and sharpen your knowledge.
http://musictheory.net/ |
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Greg Vincent
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Folsom, CA USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2010 8:39 am
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Thinking and communicating in numbers is a better way to recognize patterns in music, whereas using letters just turns things into so much alphabet soup.
Probably piano players get more benefit out of thinking in terms of letters, since for them, every key has a different scalar layout on the keyboard. WHAT A DRAG!
Fortunately for us steelers, we can learn scale patterns and just change keys by moving that pattern's starting point. This makes the number system especially useful to steelers. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2010 9:10 am
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| Greg Vincent wrote: |
Probably piano players get more benefit out of thinking in terms of letters, since for them, every key has a different scalar layout on the keyboard. WHAT A DRAG!
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.. not a drag; there are only 12 keys. |
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2010 10:13 am
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The logic of the numbering of the chords sinks in after you understand the relationship to the chord progression of a song. It's based on the scale for a particular key. For example if you're playing that song in the key of C and the chords used are C(I), F(IV), G(V), as Roger pointed out, you can transpose the song to a different key like A for example. Now, the chords will be
A(I), D(IV), and E(V). It's a simple way of communicating between musicians and a real time saver.
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Posted 15 Jan 2010 11:50 am
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I too Like the number system but yet you will get on a stage sometimes and someone will raise one finger up as the key you say back ok what key, they say A thats what I meant by the 1 finger, well it somewhat makes me want to give one finger back and tell them thats not how its done
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Clete Ritta
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Dennis Olearchik
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Newtown, PA
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Posted 15 Jan 2010 4:30 pm
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| Clete, thanks! |
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