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I'm looking for any reasons not to use this pedal for something else (Franklin on E9, other C6 change, etc.) I should make clear that right now this is the standard C6 fourth pedal, raises A's to B's. The only thing I have ever used this change for is a dominant 13 chord when used with the fifth pedal; and I recently figured out I can get that same chord using two feet and the seventh pedal. I have never used the 8th string raise at all. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any help.

I always assumed people had it just to avoid that two-footed situation. Maybe I'm missing something too though.
Like you, I use the 7th pedal, or lower the 4th string with pedal 5 for that 13th chord (as long as you don't need that pedal swoop into it).
My fourth pedal has an A-Ab change on the fourth string instead.
- John

I use the original P4 for getting the Em voicing (avoiding the C string) among many things.

Also use it in combination w P5 for a D6 or D13

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Changing it to raise both A's - A# would also work to go from C6 to C7


changing P4 to 8 str A-Ab & 4 str A-B would give you access to D13 and Ab7#9 in the same position

Raising 9 F-F# and 8 A-A# would give access to C13 and Gb7#9 in the same position

Lowering 7 C-B & raising 6 E-F may also work for P4

lots of possibilities if one wants to experiment w P4
and changes/pulls can be put on the E9 neck as well.

Geoff
This topic was discussed earlier this year, and I posted some examples of how I use this pedal change, which is essential to my playing style.

Here's the thread. Scroll down about half-way and read my discussion with Ed Bierly about P.4.

I changed that pedal a long time ago to work on the E9th.It lowers my 5 and 10 from B to A.I talked to Paul Franklin Sr and he told me that not a lot of people use that pedal on C6th so using it on the E9 instead of adding a knee lever would work great for me and he was right. I have 8 and 5 on mine and I use the vertical lever to lower and split the 6th string.RS

Of course, P4 can potentially do double duty, working on both necks, depending on how many pulls it involves.

Thanks for all the replies, you guys have given me lots to think about over turkey!

John- I never tried the two foot thing until recently, I figured it would be cheaper than adding a pedal or knee lever.

Bengt- I tuned my 4th pedal to go A-Bb last night, it offers some really cool stuff. I may wind up with another knee lever yet.

Herb- Thank you for that link and the examples, thats exactly what I was looking for.

Ron- That's what I was thinking about too, add that with my G#-F# lever i'd have the Franklin pedal.

Brint- That is true, and might be what I end up doing to get what I need. Thanks Everybody

You might also want to try Lowering #2 (½-tone) E to Eb and Raising #6 (½-tone) E to F. This is the reverse of P-6. If you have an extra bellcrank and pull-rod, you might also want to Raise #10 (1-tone) C to D. [Not really necessary.]

The change John just mentioned is a good one. I just put it on my 4th pedal about a year ago. If you do decide on this change, make sure it is on P4 as it combines with the 5th pedal the same as P6 does. Or, you can put it on a lever.

What are the advantages of adding the 2nd string E-Eb change on the same pedal as the 6th string E-F change? Obviously, you can play an F9 with a high 7th, and a D7(b9) with the 5th pedal. Am I missing something else?...

I guess the same reasoning as having the 2nd. str. E to F on the same pedal as the 6th.str. E to Eb! (P-6) Just a different voicing.