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Topic: Country Music is the new R&R |
Bob Hickish
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Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Dave Hopping
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 10:14 am |
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I think so,and in an entirely non-musical sense.To me,the FM country radio format resembles nothing so much as the AM Top-40 rock and roll stations of years gone by.
In a musical sense commercial "country" can be described as Southern rock with some country influences.Not really country,but the country influences certainly make it much better,just like anything else influenced by country music.
Now if we can just get MORE STEEL GUITAR into the mix......  |
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 10:20 am
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Your both wrong its just old Rock & Roll on Bad Rock and Roll as once stated bt The Geesenslaw Bros in a song....  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 10:31 am
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These are really very simplistic labels, applied by people who know more about marketing than they do about music. "Country Music" and "Rock & Roll" are both big, catch-all categories that cover a wide variety of popular musical styles, and those styles actually overlap quite a bit. All too often, whether an artist is marketed as "Country" or "Rock" has more to do with the artist's clothing than with their actual music.
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 7:28 pm
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I think I would have made a great heavy metal punk rocker, but I missed my calling. I got sidetracked early on with Jack Greene, George and Tammy, etc... If it's not too late, I might still give it a try. I'd love to scream out songs and have girls throwing their panties on stage, and all that....  |
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Richard Sevigny
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Salmon Arm, BC, Canada
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 7:56 pm
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| I'd love to scream out songs and have girls throwing their panties on stage, and all that.... |
Then you gotta do this guy's tunes...
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Posted 23 Oct 2009 10:55 pm
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That blurb is on a Fox News web site, therefore there can't be any truth to it. 
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Theresa Galbraith
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Posted 24 Oct 2009 5:05 am
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Dave Hopping
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Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 24 Oct 2009 11:13 am
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Wrong!  |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 24 Oct 2009 1:13 pm
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Fox presented facts and figures to support their story. If you have different data, why not present it here? Lacking that, the Fox story wins by default.
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 24 Oct 2009 1:50 pm
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| Country music is displacing rock ‘n roll as America's most popular brand of music. |
Sorry, but they have it completely wrong. Most country music these days is rock and roll. Surely this is not news to anybody here - is it? So if it is now the most popular music, then it must be inferred that rock and roll is the most popular brand of music.
But of course, even if Fox News got that basic concept correct, they would still be wrong. Most parts of the urban/suburban US - where the vast majority of the population is - is hip-hop-pop nation, not any form of rock or country. You want facts and figures? Look at this pie chart of 2008 Billboard Hot 100 songs by genre:
Source: http://www.verysmallarray.com/?p=821 - who got this from a variety of sources, including this Billboard Top-100 list from wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Hot_100_Hits_of_2008
This is certainly my perception, from my vantage point here in the northeastern US. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 25 Oct 2009 1:45 pm
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What is "Dirty South?" I haven't (knowingly) encountered that genre yet ...  |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2009 1:59 pm
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| What is "Dirty South?" I haven't (knowingly) encountered that genre yet ... |
I'm confused too. I don't know if they mean vintage dirty south, classic dirty south, traditional dirty south, new dirty south, southern dirty south, contempoary dirty south, or what. I'm always looking to broaden my musical horizons, but if I'm going to get into this genre I want to make sure I know where to hang my hat.
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 25 Oct 2009 6:16 pm
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| That one left me scratching my head too - not too sure whether it's more like red-dirt Texas country or some type of southern rap, since it's a purple shade. Beats me. Maybe it's country-rap? I dunno. The number of different rap categories is mind-boggling. |
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Bryan Daste
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2009 7:56 pm
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Wow, she obviously hates "rock and roll," whatever she means by that:
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Could it be that music listeners are sick and tired of the fulsome, industrial-strength self-dramatization, the twisted acting out in rock ‘n roll songs that take on a relentless, infantile, perverse logic all their own?
Could it be that music listeners no longer want any part of the excruciatingly annoying culture of excessive, self-righteous self-indulgence, of narcissistic self-entitlement cemented in many genres of rock 'n roll?
Where listening to these songs is like chewing on Reynolds Wrap tin foil? Where you have to apply Novocain to your nerve endings as soon their songs are over? |
And since when are Kings of Leon the hottest rock act in the world? In my opinion this article is a bunch of hot air, with facts & figures designed to support a one-sided argument. Plus...who cares? |
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Bob Hickish
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Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Oct 2009 6:52 am
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| These are really very simplistic labels, applied by people who know more about marketing than they do about music. "Country Music" and "Rock & Roll" are both big, catch-all categories that cover a wide variety of popular musical styles, and those styles actually overlap quite a bit. All too often, whether an artist is marketed as "Country" or "Rock" has more to do with the artist's clothing than with their actual music. |
I was just going to make the same point.
is it just a hat & boots that separate ?? |
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Ben Godard
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Jamesville NC
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Posted 26 Oct 2009 3:34 pm
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I think there's too much crossing over between genre's. In my opinion it ruins the indivuduality of each genre and you just end up with a mixture of crap. I will admit that a little bit of southern rock correctly applied to country sounds OK to me but I just don't throw away the pure country. I like both respectively. As I do most genre's. As a musician I can listen to almost anything given the right mood. But I am gonna call a particular song to its correct genre... I've seen a cat eat dogfood before but I didn't call it a dog. 
One of the biggest problem in the industry is that so much different music is being called the country of today but its not. Most of it is pop. For you pop lovers, I want to establish that I have heard lots of decent pop music. But guess what? It's not country!!!! OK!! Call it pop like it is. Plain and simple. I would love to hear what hereos like Haggard, Jones, Willie Nelson, Hank JR, and many more would say about this.
The truth is that despite the few real country listeners, the industry is sold out to a new young hip generation because that's where the money is made. It's about money folks. I would bet that there are many in the Nashville coorporate office that really like good country but its simply not fanancially feasable to invest in it. The biggest quick bucks are made from music that appeals to listeners from ages 15 to 31. Unfortunately the majority of this age bracket just doesn't care about good country.
I saw the CMA awards just flipping channels not too long ago and Jamie Fox was up there confessing how he cut his teeth on country. .. &($!/$#@!(><!.. I won't say anything else. |
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James Cann
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Posted 26 Oct 2009 5:39 pm
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| I would love to hear what hereos like Haggard, Jones, Willie Nelson, Hank JR, and many more would say about this. |
Don't hold your breath. They're too busy putting out what they've been putting out all along. Opening up their yaps about musical issues would probably be the worst thing they could do. |
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Ron Sodos
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San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 30 Oct 2009 8:11 am All this analysis makes me tired
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| I always read these posts analysing what current counrty is and what it isn'nt. I like rock and roll, I like jazz and all kinds of music. The main point is whether it sounds good or bad. Most of the music nowadays is just bad. I listen to Sugarland and that Swift girl and to me it makes me want to throw up. Thats about it for me. Jason Aldean and all the rest is just pure crap to me. Give me Bobby Flores anytime. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 31 Oct 2009 2:06 pm
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Ron...You might get by with referring to these guys music as "crap", but don't ever use the word "noise". I said that about some rock steel players music and I think some of the forum members wanted to have me tarred and feathered.
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Posted 31 Oct 2009 10:48 pm
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| I said that about some rock steel players music and I think some of the forum members wanted to have me tarred and feathered. |
It wasn't me. I like making noise on pedal steel. The noisier the better.
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 12:01 am
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Rick,At the VFW the other night an old gal threw her suport hose at me,she was so skinny she had knots tied in them so it would look like she had knees.Fifty years ago I called the pretty young girls SWEET THANG. Now I just ask them to BAKE me some sweet THINGS. But I do have to scream at them. None of them can hear too good. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 5 Nov 2009 10:52 pm
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| Charles Davidson wrote: |
| Rick,At the VFW the other night an old gal threw her suport hose at me,she was so skinny she had knots tied in them so it would look like she had knees.Fifty years ago I called the pretty young girls SWEET THANG. Now I just ask them to BAKE me some sweet THINGS. But I do have to scream at them. None of them can hear too good. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC. |
That's something for me to look forward to. |
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Bob Bowden
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Vancouver, BC, Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Nov 2009 6:55 am
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| I've asked this question before. Has Bon Jovi gone country or has country gone Bon Jovi? |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Nov 2009 6:02 am
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| Now, why is it that country music could be displacing rock 'n roll in popularity in the US? |
That's a quote from the article, and here's my take on it.
Well, despite a plethora of opinion to the contrary, Kid Rock and Big and Rich certainly aren't country. That said, the move by the recording moguls away from traditional rock bands is not so much a move away from rock as it is away from bands. Starting, I guess, with the Fab Four, rock became pretty much dominated by bands. The bands became important, and everyone fan picked their favorite band member and allied themselves with the band through that member. But bands are hard to deal with. Recording moguls far prefer dealing with one person, with shaping one person, with manipulating and controlling one person. Country became a perfect springboard because most country artists (except for a few like Buck Owens and Ernest Tubb) were known by their own efforts, and the band behind them mattered little to the fans. Recordings were done with regular (read: always the same) session musicians, so the public's view was fixed on the singer. The emergence of many "bad boy" rock bands with their (requisite?) drug problems soured the labels on that type of act. Too much to deal with, too many problems and chances for loss. One guy in the band gets an attitude, gets arrested, or just quits, and the whole group might be irreparably changed (damaged). Result? They decided to go with solo entertainers. Country music had made that move already back in the late '70s, so it was an easy task to just add the loud drums (of rock music), the fuzz guitars (of rock music), and the throbbing bass (of rock music), and do away with the corny steel and fiddles. Voila! They now had rock music (branded as "new country") and could deal with singers only, and none of those nasty "band" complexities that had plagued them so many times before.
The "band" (that entity which used to be a force and major factor in the music) was effectively and literally out of the picture.
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