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rpetersen
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 4:33 am |
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I read every once in a while how many have to change their pedals to get the Franklin change -
This is what I do - I have a knee lever raising my 4th string 1 full step and just slide my bar down 2 frets - gives you about the same thing - plus a unison with the 1st string and also a nice change when you are in the pedal down position to raise the 4th a whole tone and leave the other strings as they are without a bar move and releasing pedals - plus a 4 note change on that string - I use it a lot and didn't have to use a pedal 
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 6:48 am
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Ron, could you explain that one some other way so that my slow brain can comprehend it? Also if you know of any difficulties associated with this change. I would like to learn about something that works as well as the regular PF change because it is such a dog to get on my changer.
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 7:16 am
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Bent - the Franklin change lowers strings 5,6 & 10 one full step - If you raise the 4th string a full step and just move your bar down 2 frets, it's the same chord
5th fret (key of A) with Frankiln change will give you the same thing as this does on the 3rd fret with the 4th string raised - Same notes on strings 4,5,6,8 - cripes, I'n not good on explaining this - hope this helps
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 7:40 am
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| Ron, are you only raising the 4th a whole step, or both the 4th and 8th string? |
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 7:43 am
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I only raise the 4th - you could do both, but that wouldn't be the same as the Franklin change if you did - You want the 8th string to lower 1 step with the bar move
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Georg Sørtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 8:09 am
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I've had the 4 and 8 full note raise since 88 - that's what I switch stoppers on my levers on Es for, and use "2-frets-down-while-raising-Es-fully" variants quite frequently. Works fine, but I haven't reflected much on what "named" changes I've been emulating, apart from that the C-pedal becomes redundant.
One variant is to lower string 3 and 6 a whole step while raising 4 and 8 a whole step, and play 1, 3 and 4 in unison, and then release the levers. Makes for an interesting tone-split at the right places. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 9:09 am
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Ron, Thanks. I'll see if I can sit down and study it from here. The older I get the more it needs pounding into my head!
Georg, thanks for your 2c on the same thing. Nice to see you're ahead of the time as usual
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 9:11 am
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ron, I should have asked, is this just as quick and convenient as having the whole change on one pedal so you don't have to move the bar?
Edit: Also, do you have this on the same lever as the half tone raise(with a half stop) or do you have it on a separate lever or pedal?
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 10:15 am
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| Bent Romnes wrote: |
| Nice to see you're ahead of the time as usual |
FWIW: I'm not ahead of anything, just going down, down, down a different path  |
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 11:00 am
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It probably isn't as quick as a pedal change, but for me I use it more on slower/medium tempo tunes which is where that change fits better - I play a Universal 12 and am raising my 9th string and the 4th string with the same lever
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 11:40 am
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I raise my 4th to F# with my RLR.You can use it with pedals up or down, with A or B or with the F lever to get a half step. I've had it on my steel since I started playing. It makes sense. I also raise my 5th to C# with my Vert LV. It gives you the best of both worlds. Now I can't figure out what to do with my C pedal. Any suggestions.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 5:45 pm
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| Bill Dobkins wrote: |
| Now I can't figure out what to do with my C pedal. Any suggestions. |
I have the same "problem", and haven't quite solved it yet.
I have decided to keep the C pedal as is, in order to keep my PSG copedent somewhat normal. But I will switch in alternative changes as I see fit, to make the most out of as few pedals/levers as possible.
So, the real problem as I see it, is to integrate working mechanisms for on-the-fly switching or extending in and out of existing pedals'/levers' functionality, including that of the mostly redundant C pedal. |
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Kyle Everson
From:
Nashville, Tennessee
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 9:29 pm
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| I think one of the benefits of having that change is the low A that you get at the open position. I lower my 10th to A, and it is highly beneficial. I do something different with this pedal, though; I do not have the change in question on my guitar. |
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 19 Oct 2009 7:30 pm
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| Kyle Everson wrote: |
| I think one of the benefits of having that change is the low A that you get at the open position. I lower my 10th to A, and it is highly beneficial. I do something different with this pedal, though; I do not have the change in question on my guitar. |
What does your 4th pedal do? I've got the Franklin pedal, but I rarely use it..
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Bill OConnor
From:
Castle Rock, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Oct 2009 10:57 pm V Pedal
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| V PEDAL I RAISE THE 4TH TO F# 2ND TO E & 7TH TO G HOLDING AB PEDALS IN WITH THE VERTICAL I DON`T NEED THE C PEDAL SO I PUT THE FRANKLIN ON IT. CAN PLAY 10 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 STRINGS USING AB & V I AM HAPPY WITH IT. |
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rpetersen
From:
Iowa
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Posted 20 Oct 2009 3:39 am
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Bill - I'm with you on that and do the same thing - The only reason I left my C pedal on is that I like to play some quicker stuff lie 'Applejack" - and it is more comfortable to me to use B,C pedals for something like that - And if you raise your 4th string to F# - you already have the Franklin change
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