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Topic: Carter S10 question |
Jory Simmons
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Elkhorn, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 6:37 am |
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Someone sent me a pix of a Carter S10 with 3&5....It WAS an S10 but noticed 11 fingers in the changer...the extra one was next to the 10 string B, and had a nylon tuner on the lower. Anybody know why this was there????
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James Leaman
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Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 7:04 am
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| Jory, that is there to tune the 2nd string 1/2 lower. The full note lower tuner is at the 2nd string. Make sense? Jim |
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Jory Simmons
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Elkhorn, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 8:45 am Carter
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Makes sense....only having seeing a picture....1/2 stop tuners are generally put on the same rod of the string they change, at least on my Emmons, and Mullen steels, they are.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 11:50 am
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The way I understand it is that extra tuner is for adjusting the feel (spring resistance) of the 1/2 stop and does not touch any changer finger. Is that correct?
If so, I think it's a great idea and wouldn't mind having a couple of those on my guitar. |
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Ulf Edlund
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Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 1:11 pm
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Carter uses an extra "dummy lower" at the changer to make the halfstop(s) tunable at the endplate. So did MCI. I like the design.
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Ulf Edlund
From:
Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 1:16 pm
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From the "Ask Bud" section of Carter's website:
Half-stops are normally found on the 2nd string on the E9 neck: D# to D to C# (-1/2, -1). These typically control one (1) string only and are used with 1 knee lever at a time. Half-stops can be used on pedals, but we do not recommend it because it is harder to feel the stop with your feet and it makes the action stiffer. Most modern steels implement half-stops in 2 different ways:
1. Separate pull bar (bell crank), rod and tuning nuts with its own unique location (11th or 13th lower "finger"). This method was first used on the MCI. Presently, it is used on both the Remington and the Carter.
2. The 9th string (D) lower (C# or -1/2) engages only when string 2 (D#) goes from D to C#. Zumsteel, Mullen & others use this method.
Both methods are tuned with tuning nuts in the endplate (same as pedals & knee levers).
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Jory Simmons
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Elkhorn, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 2:01 pm
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Thanks everyone! We can close this up! JD
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Sep 2009 2:21 pm
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It's a half stop helper spring, my Emmons guitar also had a helper spring on the half stop but it was not on the changer , it was mounted on the underside. I believe this is common.
The whole purpose is to execute the half stop then adjust the spring assy so that the full tone drop is a stiffer feel.
t
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