"Hall Of Fame" Tommy White? Also posted under ISGC

Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

After my first trip ever to the convention this year, i was confused as to why i did not see Tommy White in the SGHOF!
So i emailed and ask why? The response i received was, if i wanted to nominate Tommy White there is a form to fill out and 7 question to be anwsered along with information to be supplied to back it up!

Wow, i couldn't begin to anwser the questions so i emailed Tommy and ask him about it. Tom Bradshaw nominated Tommy White last year and 40 years of information has been supplied! Based on this why was he not inducted?

Bottom line is i feel he should already be there so i'm on a major rally to support his nomination this year!
Let's see support by commenting on this post to have Tommy White entered in the "Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame" in 2010!! HE DESERVES IT WITHOUT QUESTION!!!

Thanks!
kenny
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Jeff Evans · From: Cowtown and The Bill Cox Outfit

Tommy White is profoundly good — one of the instrument's heavy hitters. He can sound very credibly like Green, Hughey, and Franklin and sometimes does so within the same song. (See Pedal Steel for a killer intro and fills by him I recently posted.)

Jim Cohen · From: Philadelphia, PA

Actually, Kenny's question raises a very good point, which concerns duplication of effort. Since no one other than the committee knows who has been nominated and whose complete information packets the committee is already sitting on, it seems silly to ask Kenny (or anyone else) to go put together another large mountain of information to send to them again. I think a lot of times, nominators contact the nominee to get details of their career to include in the packet. How many times should the same people be contacted to provide the same info to 'new nominators' when the committee already has a full dossier on them and is just waiting for the right time to act on it?

Are nominations valid only for the year in which they are submitted (actually the following year), or do they remain in consideration in perpetuity (in which case no new one is really needed, unless the current one is lacking important info. but who would ever know that?)

I don't know the answer to this, but there's got to be a better way to do this without wasting a lot of people's time in the process. Any ISGC committee members care to comment?

Thanks,
JC
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b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

The HOF Board keeps the nominations close to their vests, but I don't believe that they own them. Any Forum member who makes a nomination could also publish it here on the Forum, so that everyone would know that the nomination has been made.

Just an idea.
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Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

What Jim said!!!

That's exactly right and i emailed Scotty back and ask this very question! Since they already have everything i just wanted to go on record and nominate Tommy White again!

He absolutly should have already been inducted!!!
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Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Not that election to the HoF is going to change his life or anything, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time; he's arguably one of the ten best-ever players.

That's subjective, of course, but that's how I feel.
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Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

I have been communicating with Scotty and he has accepted my nomination for Tommy White and i greatly appreciate it!

I hope there's enough voices in the steel world to help promote this as he deserves it without question!

thx
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Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

Bump for Tommy!
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Charles Curtis · Posted 18 Sep 2009 3:47 pm

I think that Tommy should be in the SGHOF; IMO, it doesn't get any better. Surely he'll be there soon.

Bruce Bouton · From: Nash. Tn USA

Agreed ! He's one of the best players on the planet. I'd suggest multiple inductees every year. Maybe that's already the case but I know thats what all the other HOF'S do.
Cheers!

Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

Wow! Great to hear from you Bruce on this! You are my "Hwy 40 Blues" hero!

I agree he one of the greatest players ever!
On top of that he is an awesome man and has a very kind heart to go with it!

Yes, i'm on a soap box and will continue until i see the day he is inducted!!!

Thanks so much again Bruce!
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Dirk B · From: Harrisburg, MO, USA

I don't know how the SGHOF operates, but age might be one consideration. "Young Turks" like Tommy White and Joe Wright (who are actually middle-aged, which shows how demographically depauperate steel guitar is becoming, altho that's another story), should have plenty of time to become members. Old timers, on the other hand, might reasonably get preferred consideration while they're still with us.

Just look at how many HOF members we've lost in the past couple of years.

Ken Byng · From: Southampton, England

Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

I don't think age has anything to do with it because Paul Franklin and Tommy White are pretty close in age i think!

I feel its about the player and Tommy is as good as it gets in the steel world today!

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Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

Certainly Tommy belongs in any HOF that pertains to Steel Guitar..My concern is Guys like Russ Hicks and Sonny Garish are also or should be in that same line..As well as Bruce Bouton I might add...Then theres Stu Basore,Bobbe whats his name Rusty Young,Smiley Roberts who popularize the instrument in New England and has never had a regular job other than the cheese slicer..Joe Wright,Buzz Evans.. the list goes on and on..But isn't that a great thing for the ISGC? They sooner or later are gonna need a bigger wall.... Laughing

Paul King · From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

Years ago Tommy had a record out when he was 14 or 15 years of age. Many steel players will never play what he did on that record. He was destined to be great and he definitely deserves he be in the HOF.

robert kramer · From: Nashville TN

Tommy White has been promoting the steel guitar to the world for two decades now with his long time TV gigs on TNN and as Opry staff steel guitarist. He is one of the greatest steel guitarists of this era and one of the greatest of all time. One more point: this is the entertainment business and, like Buddy Emmons, TW is just great fun to listen to. To hear first class-cutting edge steel guitar in your home, all you have to do (from anywhere in the world), is tune in to Tommy White on the Opry.

Dirk B · From: Harrisburg, MO, USA

Ron Scott · From: Michigan

Tommy should have been there a long time ago...I have been watching him play at the St Louis shows since they were at the old place....I have not been to the show in about 5 years so I thought he was already in there....Get-er-done...RS
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Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

Not only the GOO spots but numerious TV shows and top ten and #1 records. All of these things should come into play when inducting one into the HOF! Smile

Scott Henderson · From: Camdenton, Missouri, USA

I agree with Kenny and others I think TW is an excellent choice for a very near future Hall of Famer. ALSO Bruce is another one who needs to be inducted. Bruce was in the beginnings of a whole new era of country music. ( A great era I might add) where music became equally as inmportant as songs andartists. When I was 18 that's all I worked on was being a Bruce Bouton/Paul Franklin clone. Do Tommy and Bruce really need a resume submitted? I think their work for the last 20 years is pretty self explanatory.
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Kenny Martin · From: Chapin, S.C. USA

I agree Scott! Bruce also is one the should have been there already! He blazed a trail with Skaggs especially the lead on Hwy 40 Blues!!

I guess i couldn't understand why Barbra Mandrell got there before Tommy and Bruce as well!
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Tom Bradshaw · From: Walnut Creek, California, USA

Serious problems can arise if nomination documents are published prior to a nominee's HOF induction. There is no rule to govern this, but most people who nominate someone for the HOF realize the consequences if they did. Unless all the nomination documents that the Board has before it each year are published, we Forumites don't have all the information available to us that the Board has. If, perhaps, one or two such documents were published, and neither of the nominees were inducted the following year, there could be the false belief that these qualified inductees were ignored by the Board. Having been a Board member for over 25 years, I definitely know that would NOT be a correct conclusion. Next, the "passed over" nominee could be hit with ridiculous questions such as, "What was it about you that led to your rejection?" when it wasn't a matter of "rejection" at all. But instead of my providing all such questions a nominee might be hit with, you are capable of recognizing them yourself.

And what about the speculation that would occur, and how embarrassing this could be for a nominee who are likely to receive their eventual and deserved induction, but not as soon as we would like. All one has to do is read some of the past years' posts by irate supporters of individuals WHO WERE EVENTUALLY INDUCTED! The protestors' wishes just didn’t come true as soon as they were wanting.

I could provide many more examples of why publishing nomination documents is a bad idea, but there is more to talk about from reading this topic's posters. Keep in mind that even if we Forumites had everything the Board had before it when deciding who to induct, it wouldn't be the same. In particular, we wouldn't have the wealth of their knowledge as they stew together and exchange their ideas, concerns, conclusions, experience, etc. And, they can only select two (and occasionally three) of maybe a dozen nominations they have before them. Their final decision is not an easy one. Believe me, I've been there.

Additionally, and to address another subject mentioned in this topic, the award is given for a nominee’s complete body of work; typically achieved near the end of a lifetime of accumulating those accomplishments. The Board does takes the age and health of a nominee into consideration. If someone is going to be inducted in time, most Board members feel it should be done while the nominee is living. You can't imagine the disappointment of realizing after a nominee has passed away, that their award could have been given when they were alive to receive it, not to a grieving relative.

But, on to another subject mentioned here. I wrote the guidelines for submitting a nomination for the HOF consideration. When I did, I knew that a person's playing prowess shouldn't be an induction requirement. It had to be what a person did to advance, and perhaps proliferate, the instrument. You will not read anything in the guidelines of induction that require an inductee to even play the instrument. If excellence in playing were a condition of induction, several thousand people would have to be inducted immediately! That is because there are that many players of this instrument that can knock your socks off with their expertise. Granted, we Forumites respect the talent (and mostly the hard work) that goes into learning to play these "ironing boards". We are drawn to desire rewarding them for that hard work and talent. And there isn't greater recognition in some of our eyes than HOF induction. But playing well can't be the sole reason for induction. It is a nominee's BODY OF WORK in ADVANCING THE INSTRUMENT. "Advancing" means a lot more than just playing the instrument well.

In conclusion, I have read about everything here on the Forum that relates to the controversy about the induction process for the HOF. I'm preparing to discuss a number of those concerns in a separate posting. Maybe my thoughts and recommendations on how to eliminate some of this controversy will be considered and implemented. But knowing some of my Forum friends, I'll probably just rile them up. But, dissent is healthy, so long as it is presented in a helpful, not a hurtful, manner. So, I'll stop and expect a lot of dissent for what I've said here...isn't this Forum great! ...Tom

Pete Burak · From: Portland, OR USA

I'm still lookin' to shake the hand of the guy who nominated Barbara Mandrell (email me offline if you are reading this).
This opens the door to getting a bunch of others I would like to see get in there, in there.
I think it's great that Barbara got in.
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