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Topic: anybody do this with their Franklin split? |
Brian Pelky
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Portland, OR
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 5:23 pm |
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I currently have my RKL lower 6 to F# and Pedal 4 lowers 5 and 10 to A. Could I add the 1st and 2nd string raises to G# and E respectively on my RKL with the 6th string lower?
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 5:27 pm Re: anybody do this with their Franklin split?
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| I currently have my RKL lower 6 to F# and Pedal 4 lowers 5 and 10 to A. |
Paul F has posted that he uses the whole step raise on string 7 along with this pedal to accomplish what other guys do by having the 5th string whole step lower on a separate lever from the 6th string whole step lower. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 8:54 am
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I've seen several players tunings where they have the 1st & 2nd string changes (F# - G#; D# - E) along with the 6th string G# to F# lower on the same lever. One example is John Hughey (per an instructional book I bought from him). But he doesn't have the Franklin pedal in any form (all one one pedal, or split just lowering the B's to A). I don't know if the Franklin pedal and Franklin lever (strings 1 & 2) get used together.
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 1:32 pm
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Brian
Just this morning I put the sixth string lower to F# on the same knee lever that raises the first & second strings to G# & E. This happens to be my LKL, but it is exactly the changes you are referring to, all on one knee lever.
I am certainly not an expert on the Franklin lower pedal or Franklin raise lever (if that's what its called), but I don't see any conflict or disadvantage to having these three changes on one lever. The first two strings get played along with the upper strings, 3, 4, & 5, but not string 6 or below. And the opposite seems to be true regarding the sixth string lower.
If I am missing some good licks I hope someone speaks up. I'd like to learn.
Paul |
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Dean Parks
From:
Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:09 pm
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I just changed this on mine. What you've done is the most common combo on that lever nowadays. But I changed mine to do what PF does (and Sonny Garrish and Mike Johnson I believe, maybe JayDee, many other pros).
Earnest described it, but here's more detail. Rather than lower 6, I raise 7 from F# to G#. AND, as does PF, I have a feel-stop at G which affects 1 and 7... tuning on the feel-stop won't be perfect on both strings, you have to choose, but it's workable.
Musically, advantages are:
- a close maj7 rubbing with the root on 7 and 6 with pedals down with the lever.
- a Mooney/Norm Hamlett 7th on str 1 with a pedals-down root on 6, working the 5th string with A pedal
- strummable E chord from str 8 to 1 (or 11 to 1 on a Uni) with the lever.
- moving up to that G on 7 is a nice blues move, either open, or pedals down.
Disadvantages are you don't have the 6th lower any more! I liked that a lot. However, when you start on the 6th string lower, and raise it to G#, you'll find the 7th string is still resonating that F#, so that's an extra muting chore, annoying. |
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Chris Bauer
From:
Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 3:59 pm
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I've kinda gone for what I consider to be the best of both worlds. My pedal 4 lowers both Bs to A and my vertical lowers the high G# to G and low G# to F#. I then have F#s to G# (and the second string raise) on my LKR. Both F#s stop nicely at G on the way up to G# and the split 4th pedal change plus all the other combinations are great.
I know that much of the world swears by lowering the Bs on the vertical but I would go for months forgetting it was even there. I use the current vertical all the time. Plus, if I ever get the urge to use the B to Bb lowers, I can always half-pedal my pedal 4. |
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 3:03 pm
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After just putting the sixth string lower on yesterday I have already pulled it off. I replaced it with the seventh string raise (a full tone), and I like it better. I still have the full franklin lower pedal on a floor pedal.
Time to play. |
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Brian Pelky
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 31 Aug 2009 11:50 am
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Thanks for the great tips guys! I see what you're saying about the great uses for 7th string raises, but I really like using the 6th string lower to F# instead so that I can do a IV-I-V7sus-I progession picking the 3 strings only once and using pedals/levers only on the progession. But I'm definitely going to put the 1st & 2nd string raises on my lower lever...thanks again!
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2009 12:06 pm
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Brian, I have my guitar set up just that way (F# to G# and D# to E on RKL with 6th string G# to F#, pedal 4 lowering B's to A's).
I've tried it every which way, but have settled on that setup for what works best to me. The 6th string lower, by itself, is a beautiful sound, I use A LOT.
The main disadvantage would be a chord using the full "Franklin" change where you would want to use extensions on the first or second strings unaffected by the first and second string changes also on that same lever. I've tried it both ways and prefer the above setup. Great changes. |
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