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Topic: MSA...Conclusion" Response |
Tom Bradshaw
From:
Walnut Creek, California, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2002 12:52 pm |
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I have never posted on the Forum regarding the dispute I've witnessed between Maurice Anderson and the individuals who lost their deposit money to the "old" MSA firm, two decades ago. With the recent "MSA Resolution Conclusion" post that casts me as a "detractor" to the current MSA owner's resolution process, I am compelled to respond. That claim is as far from the truth as is nearly everything else contained in Mr. Anderson's lengthy post. When I'm lied about, I'm going to defend myself. However, I will do so apart from the Forum. My position is provided at the following web site:
http://www.steelguitarhistory.com/
For those who are sick of this interminable word war, and for those who support Mr. Anderson's position regardless of what evidence exists to the contrary, simply avoid reading my response.
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Quesney Gibbs
From:
Anniston, AL
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Posted 15 Jun 2002 3:32 pm
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As one of the people who lost very hard earned money in the MSA demise years ago I am glad to see Tom's efforts finally being placed in public view. It should be required reading for amyone who is thinking about sending money to MSA et al.
I really expect this posting to be closed quickly to prevent more discussion about all this. I hope not but......[This message was edited by Quesney Gibbs on 19 June 2002 at 03:11 AM.] |
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George Kimery
From:
Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2002 5:28 am
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| I don't know enough about this controversy to take sides, nor do I want to, so those who want to say "Well then shut up!", go ahead, I won't complain. If I were Maurice Anderson and had a list of those who paid deposits but never received anything, here is what I would do: I would take the price of the new guitars I am beginning to produce, deduct the amount of the deposit lost, and sell them a new one for that price. I would send it to somebody that both sides trust (maybe Bobbe Seymour, yeah I am sure he would just love to be put in the middle of this!) in an escrow situation. Once that person receives the guitar and checks it out, he would ship the guitar to the owner and forward the money to Maurice. If it is not an option to refund money, then this might be an honorable solution for all. If the steeler doesn't want to go for the deal, then that would be his choice, at least he would have a chance at a 2nd best option. If I were Maurice, I would not want this thing hanging over my head forever, regardless of whether I felt I was right or wrong. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 16 Jun 2002 6:08 pm
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| Tom, I am very disturbed at the events as they have unfolded. Apparently, the people who never got there original MSA were done a grievous wrong. I don't know anyone could defend such a disgraceful position. |
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Roy Thomson
From:
Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 16 Jun 2002 6:50 pm
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Tom, it is most appropriate that you presented your position. As stated previously I would much rather be aware than not aware.
I remember back in the 70's when I was really getting into steel guitar your articles in Guitar Player and the great steel guitar tapes you offered provided immense help and
inspiration to me and many others I am sure.
All the best to you.
Roy Thomson |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Jun 2002 11:08 pm
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| Huh? [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 20 June 2002 at 09:39 PM.] |
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smike
From:
oakland, ca
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Posted 17 Jun 2002 8:20 am
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I would take the price of the new guitars I am beginning to produce, deduct the amount of the deposit lost, and sell them a new one for that price.
right... except that those dollar amounts were in 1980 dollars. to make things fair FINANCIALLY, you would have to account for inflation, for (reasonable) interest lost, for the loss of peace of mind, for the victim who lost their business because of what happened, etc.
also, why would these people be inclined to again put their trust in the same folks again? would you?
i believe that maurice could have let this all blow over by NOT responding and pushing the HOF issue... but he has always regretted what happened when msa tanked.
if the new msa really does want to make it right, they will make sure that all of the victims get a new msa guitar of their choice, and deservedly publicize the hell out of it ("_______ lost $___ 20 years ago, so we've given him/her a Millennium S12!")
if you owned a company that was just getting off the ground, which would you prefer: that kind of marketing message? or a proliferation of web sites documenting forever mistakes made long ago?
this is a potential win-win scenario for the entire steel guitar community.
it is a chance to do the right thing, the right way... or a potential mis-step for the new msa.
we'll see what happens.
bruce linde
aka smike[This message was edited by smike on 17 June 2002 at 09:54 AM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 17 Jun 2002 1:35 pm
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| Smike. I thoroughly agree with you. You make an excellent point. You also Bobbe as usual. |
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smike
From:
oakland, ca
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 6:51 am
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myron -
it's not about whether maurice is a nice guy. no one says he is not a nice guy. in fact, everyone... including bradshaw, who named a daughter after him... says he is a nice guy... not to mention being a fabulous player.
nice guys sometimes make bad business decisions, or find themselves responsible for bad decisions made by the company they worked for.
if maurice didn't regret that people lost their money when msa tanked, he wouldn't have been saying he did for years.
if he didn't think that someone ought to do something, he and the new msa wouldn't be talking about a resolution process.
if the subject being discussed weren't a legitimate enough public relations issue for the new msa, they would simply ignore the victims of the old msa, and those of us who feel that those folks ought to somehow be 'made whole'.
but, the new msa wants to be perceived as good guys, maurice wants to continue being perceived as a good guy, and nobody loses if the new msa does a nice/good thing and takes care of these folks.
bradshaw is not satan, and maurice does not walk on water.
this is not about personailities, but about doing the right thing... and doing the right thing includes an awareness of the fact that we are a relatively small community, all sharing the same passion: steel guitar.
let's help the new msa nurture the community by helping clean up a mess admittedly not of their making.
we all win if this happens.
bruce linde
aka smike
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Rick Collins
From:
Claremont , CA USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 7:53 am
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Nice post "Smike". I agree. If the new MSA plays and sounds as good as it looks, all of this will be over soon.
Rick |
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Dave Van Allen
From:
Souderton, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 11:32 am
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| Maybe someone after thirty years will get tired of His or her MSA and junk it. |
Well, after almost thirty years I just traded mine for a ZB Custom... does that count? 
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Jody Carver
From:
KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 12:36 pm
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DVA
The "Eyes Of Fender Are Upon You" all the live long day,,,how could you???? [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 20 June 2002 at 03:56 PM.] |
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slick
From:
Calhoun Georgia
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 2:58 pm
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Daymon,
TELL IT LIKE IT IS MY MAN!!!
Slick
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Wayne Broyles |
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Mark Herrick
From:
Bakersfield, CA
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 4:53 pm
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Daymon righteously states:
"why would anyone want to belong to a "hall" that has people of such shallow and un-forgiving character setting the example."
And then goes on to characterize Tom Bradshaw as:
". . . this ball-headed, monkey looking, axe grinding, couldn't make it as cop so i was a prison guard, defaming, slanderous LYING man . . ."
Good shot Daymon! Got yourself right in the foot!
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Kenny Davis
From:
Great State of Oklahoma
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 6:24 pm
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| Look again!!! It went between his toes!!! |
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Mike Weirauch
From:
Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 6:26 pm
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| he shouldn't be judging anyone |
......And bygod neither should you! |
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Jason Odd
From:
Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 7:16 pm
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Tom's never sunk to the level of numerous back patting posters here, I think that says a lot about the whole affair.
And a simple reminder, not every steel player in the worl d has access to this forum to add their two cents (in 1980, or 2002 currency), so waiting for them to post is a kind of pointless exercise.
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Rex Thomas
From:
Thompson's Station, TN
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 7:31 pm
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Ok, Matt. 7:1 (NIV) says, "Do not judge, or your too will be judged." Then it reads in vse. 3, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye & pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (skipping 4) 5. You hypocrite, ..." Then vse. 6 reads, "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs,..."
Here's where I'm trying to go with this, & I'm NOT aiming this at anyone in particular:
1. Yes, don't judge. What goes around comes around. However,
2. If some bubbahead tells you that you have a problem & he/she appears to have not just planks but Honest Abe log homes in their eye sockets, then you should allow them to go the way of the Edsel.
3. I'm sure many of us if not all have paid money & lost it in a bad transaction. Sure, justice should be served & wrongs should be righted, but the best way I would know to handle it would be to send your almighty dollar A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. In my career I've found that HUNGER takes care of a lot of problems, especially attitude.
So I guess I'm saying, watch how you throw those boomerangs, check a persons example, & I reckon experience is the best teacher when it comes to investments. And as a rule, steels ain't cheap. Peace to all. |
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Mike Weirauch
From:
Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 8:46 pm
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| good day and good night and i hope to hell i at least get a new MSA hat out of this |
......well if THAT'S all you want, I'll buy you one! bygod! |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2002 10:21 pm
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From the membership agreement:
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| You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false, defamatory, libelous, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, racist or illegal. |
I know it's not going to win me any popularity contest, but I can't ignore flagrant violations of the Forum's rules. Mr. Lapoint, I won't have you hurling insults at other members. You knowingly crossed the line.
Sometimes I really hate this job. 
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