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Topic: nice little chord on E9 |
Phil Halton
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Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2009 5:44 pm |
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I found a nice little dom7 chord today on strings 5, 2, 1.
I've always known of, but rarely used, the V triad on strings 5, 2, 1. Example, G triad at fret 8 strings 5, 2, 1.
But, dropping back 3 frets to fret 5 (2 above the root position) and using a 5th string split, you get a nice G7b9 chord with the 7 on the bottom, b9 on 2, and 3rd on string 1. Or, add the half-lower on string 2 for a straight dom7 chord (no b9).
The b9's a little jazzy, and works good when its part of a 2-5-1 change (D minor, G7b9, C.
Man! I love this thing. |
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Joshua Grange
From:
Los Angeles, California
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Posted 18 Jun 2009 7:46 pm
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| If you dont have a split, you can just half rock the A pedal. |
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Rob Segal
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New York NY
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Posted 19 Jun 2009 3:57 am
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| Try adding in the half-tone raise on the E strings..... |
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Phil Halton
From:
Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2009 7:57 am
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[quote="Rob Segal"]Try adding in the half-tone raise on the E strings.....[/quote]
Well, I tried that--sounds pretty bizarre. 5th fret, string 5 2 1 with half A pedal for a partial G7b9, add the 4th string with a half-tone raise for a flat 3rd? Maybe you meant at fret 3 grip 4 3 2 with half-raise on 4 and half-lower on 2--that'd give the same partial G7b9 chord.
I like grip 5 2 1 for the simple reason that you can also get the D minor 2 frets below at fret 3 with just the half-lower on 2, and, if so inclined, the C triad at fret 1 (or 13) with no pedals/levers--a nice 2-5-1 without changing grips. |
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Rob Segal
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New York NY
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Posted 19 Jun 2009 8:14 am
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at the 5th fret; 5th string raised a half, 2nd open, 1st open, 4th/8th strings raised a half, playing strings 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, all sounds good to me; don't know what to call it, but it's kind of a minor chord substitution for a 5 dom 7 chord. At the 5th fret it works as a 5 chord in the key of B. Kind of a sus sound hanging over it.
Probably has no relation to what you were originally posting about; my apologies and I'll step off thread....... |
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Bob Parins
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Brooklyn, New York, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2009 8:33 pm
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Great stuff guys. I love to learn new ways to get chords.
Rob: What you've got is a C# 13 chord (C#7 with a major 6 added in). A 2 dominant chord in the key of B.
Phil: Try your chord on the 2nd fret in the 2-5-1 progression (D- on the 3rd fret, G7b9 on the 2nd fret, C on the 1st)
You get the same (G7b9) chord, but with the b9 on string one, the 7 on string 2, and the 5th on string 5. |
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Phil Halton
From:
Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2009 2:56 pm
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Check it out!
In the key of X, the following are all X7b9 chords. Use B pedal and half A pedal for all of the following positions: (a 5th string split comes in handy here)
at 2 frets above the open position of the key
scale degrees b9 & 3 on strings 2 & 1,
scale degrees 5 & b7 on strings 6 & 5
at 1 fret below the open position of the key
scale degrees b7 & b9 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees 3 & 5 on strings 6 & 5
at 4 frets below the open position of the key
scale degrees 5 & b7 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees b9 & 3 on strings 6 & 5
at 5 frets abovethe open position of the key
scale degrees 3 & 5 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees b7 & b9 on strings 6 & 5
In the key of G, for example, these would all be G7b9 chords. These 7b9 chords can be re-voiced by replacing strings 2 & 1 with strings 8 & 7 with the E-lower lever engaged. The new pedal/lever configuration would then be B pedal with E-lower lever, and half A pedal on strings 8 7 6 5. Of course, there are other voicings, like strings 7 6 5 4 etc with the half A B E pedal shape mentioned above. I just noticed these new voicings for the 7b9 chords using strings 2 & 1 when I realized that strings 2 & 1 are the octaves of strings 8 & 7 with the E-lower lever engaged.
I've been working this stuff out for months -- hasn't driven me crazy yet!
BTW: this is just scratchin' the surface. |
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