nice little chord on E9

[Phil Halton]

I found a nice little dom7 chord today on strings 5, 2, 1.

I've always known of, but rarely used, the V triad on strings 5, 2, 1. Example, G triad at fret 8 strings 5, 2, 1.

But, dropping back 3 frets to fret 5 (2 above the root position) and using a 5th string split, you get a nice G7b9 chord with the 7 on the bottom, b9 on 2, and 3rd on string 1. Or, add the half-lower on string 2 for a straight dom7 chord (no b9).

The b9's a little jazzy, and works good when its part of a 2-5-1 change (D minor, G7b9, C.

Man! I love this thing.

[Joshua Grange]

If you dont have a split, you can just half rock the A pedal.

[Rob Segal]

Try adding in the half-tone raise on the E strings.....

[Phil Halton]

[quote="Rob Segal"]Try adding in the half-tone raise on the E strings.....[/quote]

Well, I tried that--sounds pretty bizarre. 5th fret, string 5 2 1 with half A pedal for a partial G7b9, add the 4th string with a half-tone raise for a flat 3rd? Maybe you meant at fret 3 grip 4 3 2 with half-raise on 4 and half-lower on 2--that'd give the same partial G7b9 chord.

I like grip 5 2 1 for the simple reason that you can also get the D minor 2 frets below at fret 3 with just the half-lower on 2, and, if so inclined, the C triad at fret 1 (or 13) with no pedals/levers--a nice 2-5-1 without changing grips.

[Rob Segal]

at the 5th fret; 5th string raised a half, 2nd open, 1st open, 4th/8th strings raised a half, playing strings 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, all sounds good to me; don't know what to call it, but it's kind of a minor chord substitution for a 5 dom 7 chord. At the 5th fret it works as a 5 chord in the key of B. Kind of a sus sound hanging over it.

Probably has no relation to what you were originally posting about; my apologies and I'll step off thread.......

[Bob Parins]

Great stuff guys. I love to learn new ways to get chords.

Rob: What you've got is a C# 13 chord (C#7 with a major 6 added in). A 2 dominant chord in the key of B.

Phil: Try your chord on the 2nd fret in the 2-5-1 progression (D- on the 3rd fret, G7b9 on the 2nd fret, C on the 1st)
You get the same (G7b9) chord, but with the b9 on string one, the 7 on string 2, and the 5th on string 5.

[Phil Halton]

Check it out!

In the key of X, the following are all X7b9 chords. Use B pedal and half A pedal for all of the following positions: (a 5th string split comes in handy here)

at 2 frets above the open position of the key
scale degrees b9 & 3 on strings 2 & 1,
scale degrees 5 & b7 on strings 6 & 5

at 1 fret below the open position of the key
scale degrees b7 & b9 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees 3 & 5 on strings 6 & 5

at 4 frets below the open position of the key
scale degrees 5 & b7 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees b9 & 3 on strings 6 & 5

at 5 frets abovethe open position of the key
scale degrees 3 & 5 on strings 2 & 1
scale degrees b7 & b9 on strings 6 & 5

In the key of G, for example, these would all be G7b9 chords. These 7b9 chords can be re-voiced by replacing strings 2 & 1 with strings 8 & 7 with the E-lower lever engaged. The new pedal/lever configuration would then be B pedal with E-lower lever, and half A pedal on strings 8 7 6 5. Of course, there are other voicings, like strings 7 6 5 4 etc with the half A B E pedal shape mentioned above. I just noticed these new voicings for the 7b9 chords using strings 2 & 1 when I realized that strings 2 & 1 are the octaves of strings 8 & 7 with the E-lower lever engaged.

I've been working this stuff out for months -- hasn't driven me crazy yet!
BTW: this is just scratchin' the surface.