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Topic: G# returning sharp.... |
David Pinkston
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Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 7:58 am |
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Can anyone help me. The 6th string always returns sharp after a lower... you can double pump the B pedal and it eventually returns. A compensator was suggested but I have had 15 steels without compensators and never had this problem. Any assistance is appreciated.
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Fred Nolen
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Mohawk, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 11:52 am G# Return Problem
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David, IMO, the reason the F#, at least for me, is that it is a plain .022 string - any change, however slight, makes a great difference in pitch. I have found that when I tune, if I back off and engage pedal 2 until it returns correctly, that it will compensate for that phenomenon, and I am good, relatively speaking, for the rest of the evening, (the more educated call it hysteresis)I think.....
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 6:04 pm
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you have your nylon tuners turned in to far adjust both 3 & 6 and any lowers you have on that 6th string away from the changer then tune all over again. did you do any pedal adjustments? sometimes this causes trouble as well
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Ernie Renn
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Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 2:17 am
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Just tighten the return spring a little bit and see if that helps.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 5:08 am
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| The "hysterisis" or returning sharp, is a common problem with strings that are both raised and lowered. I got tired of that problem on my 71 PP Emmons and finally got rid of it. My Franklin has tuneable drop return compensators and one of the main reasons I bought it - no more coming back sharp problems. |
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David Pinkston
From:
Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 8:07 am Compensators
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Thanks all.
I'm having compensators put on this weekend. That should fix it. Mr. Franklin also told me that 22s are worse than 20s, but even the 20s come back sharp.
Thanks again for the advice. |
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Eddie Lane
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Branson, Missouri, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 9:28 am
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David,
Turn the guitar upside down and engage the pedal by hand. Watch to see if the lower finger is moving away from the stop when you engage the pedal. If so,
as Ernie said, tighten the return spring a couple of turns or until it doesn't move away from the stop. If it is not moving away from the stop...that is not your problem. It could be anything from lub problems to binding somewhere. Do only one thing at a time until you find it. 
Keep Pickin,
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2009 10:53 am
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| Eddie Lane wrote: |
David,
Turn the guitar upside down and engage the pedal by hand. Watch to see if the lower finger is moving away from the stop when you engage the pedal. |
Eddie is right; you should check to be sure that the raise bar returns to rest on its stop after you release a raise. And the lower bar should return to its stop after you release a lower. But you don't have to turn the guitar over. You can just reach under the changer with your right hand while you sit at the guitar and operate the pedals. Feel the raise bar or lower bar move away from its stop as you push the pedal. Feel it return when you release the pedal. Now push it a little more with your right hand to test whether it actually returned all the way as it should.
If the changer is returning to its stops as it should, then your problem is somewhere else, such as a roller nut that doesn't roll freely. |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jun 2009 7:54 pm
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My first check would be to make sure your (B)-Pedal is not over-tuned. Perhaps it needs slightly more travel in it! Every pedal and knee-lever needs a little extra movement before engaging the changer.
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David Pinkston
From:
Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 14 Jun 2009 6:10 pm Fixed
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Thanks all. Jeff Surratt put a return compensator on it and it works like a charm now.
The problem is visiting his shop makes me want a second Show-Pro. What a sweet guitar.
While I was there the UPS lady delivered a shipment from TC Furlong so lost a couple of hours testing them out. Wow they sound great. |
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