The stock Fender 1000 is single raise, single lower with two changes per pedal. I wanted to test the "F9th mode" that I described in another topic. The string gauges were already in the ballpark because I had a Sacred Steel E7th on the front neck. It took less than an hour to reconfigure the guitar to this:
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This is a really cool tuning! P8 shifts it to C6th, as the E lever of an E9th shifts to B6th. P7 is the F lever. P1 and P2 are the A and B pedals. It has that basic, back porch Americana feel to it - country without all the fancy Nashville changes and chromatic strings. I like it!
Of course, I had to cripple the back neck a bit to get it on this guitar.
Joe Gretz wrote:What gauges are you using for this set up?
The wrong ones on the front neck, I'm sure! Any C6th set should do. It's just a C6th tuning with the E's tuned up to F.
If I had double raise capability, I'd tune 1st and 5th strings to E (Standard C6th) and raise them to F and F#. Also, a pedal to lower the 5th string to Eb would be real handy.
Hi b0b...
I'd love to hear a sampling of what you're getting out of this tuning. It's right up my alley and since it's looking like my 5 and 3, single raise/lower set up may be better suited as a C6 neck, this may be a good direction to think about.
In the old original Fender 1000 instruction book there are pedal setups for the two necks that I think were Alvino Reys tuning set up . You have to use both feet and sometimes four pedals but EVERY chord possible is on there !! This is not "Country" but if you like chord playing these are the tunings to use !! I don't have that booklet anymore but maybe the info is available somewhere ?? Eddie "C"
I just want to make it clear that I don't recommend this copedent to anyone, least of all to a beginner. It's pretty confusing. It's just one of many experimental roads I've gone down.
I'm not going to keep it on the guitar for very long. Having so many changes on the front neck cripples the back neck too badly.
I love that we can change our copedants so easily on these guitars. Really gives you a chance to see whats possible quickly and without alot of labor.
right now I'm making very little progress on Sneaky Petes B6...just havent had time to get into it.
It's actually a subset of this other idea I've been working on, for 5 pedals and 5 knees.
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That won't work on a Fender for obvious reasons, but it should be possible on any modern pedal steel.
Depending upon how you feel about installing knee levers on the Fender, it is possible, and not difficult. A Fender with knee levers makes this, and any kind of experimentation possible. I hope you post a sound clip, or 2 using this copedant bOb.
Zum Encore, Zum Stage One, Fender 2000, Harlan Bros., Multi-Kord,
I'm going to remove the P3 and P4 pulls from the front neck. I miss my C# pedal on the C6th!
I think it might be easier for some people to see what I'm doing if it was expressed in E instead of F:
[tab] P1 P2 ... P7 P8
E +F -D#
B ++C#
G# +A
F#
E +F -D#
B ++C#
G# +A
E [/tab]
I understand completely. Preserving a classic is the right thing to do. My Fender 2000 is ideal for this kind of stuff, because the cabinet, necks, pedals and apron are not original. So it's no big deal to do other modifications too. The double raises and lowers with the cables, are what makes it a keeper.
Zum Encore, Zum Stage One, Fender 2000, Harlan Bros., Multi-Kord,
B0b, I have an early Fender 1000, nine pedals (chrome pedals), original pickups. Playing through Webb 6-14 E, or Nash. 112.
I have the same basic tuning (C6th) on the back neck as in your post. I simply cannot get a pleasing sound from the back neck, and I've tried every string type and gauge.
Do you find the C6th on that neck to be inferior to most other guitars.
I know of at least one other Fender 1000 of another owner with the same tonal output.
Ben, As the guy who Eddie sold the guitar to I can attest that is the manual.
Eddie, can't thank you enough, I have graduated to a Carter starter, but the sound of the 1000 through a blues Jr. is perfect for the band I play with.
Bob, really anxious to hear what you come up with and hear a clip of it.
Okay, here's a hastily-recorded demo of the front neck. It's improvised - not a real song - but it should give you an idea of the basic flavor of the copedent. Nothing fancy.
Hastily recorded eh? That sounds pretty sweet on a couple of levels bOb. And with no knee levers. I'm impressed. That copedant is a keeper and the tone is right there with it!
Zum Encore, Zum Stage One, Fender 2000, Harlan Bros., Multi-Kord,
