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Topic: AMP QUESTION: mordern or old - what's the big deal?? |
Guido Hausmann
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Gütersloh, NRW Germany
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 11:11 am |
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mahlzeit!
i'm a bit confused looking for a new steel amp! it has to be clean and clear all the way with big bottom punch and enough headroom for lots of volume!
as i'm looking for the newer generations (steel king for example) they might fall into pieces when just shaked a bit or go up in smoke when played too long and loud (pcb crappy built)!?
on the other hand the good old handwired tube amps crap out way too fast and haven't enough headroom / power! and old amps are often worn out or just aren't the deal for a real good steel amp!
so, what's the thing to look for??
cheers from germany
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Mike Brown
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Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Martin Abend
From:
Berlin, Germany
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 3:03 pm
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Hi Guido,
I haven't seen a newer amp 'going up in smoke' lately, what amp are you referring to? The Steel King? Regarding old amps: What about a good ole' Twin Reverb? Build like a rock and enough power for a stadium.
Cheers,
MArtin
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Guido Hausmann
From:
Gütersloh, NRW Germany
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 10:15 pm
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hallo martin,
wenn man sich die bauweise des steel king ansieht, stellt man wohl schnell fest, dass er sehr minderwertig konstruiert ist! ken fox hat sich darüber auch nicht gerade begeistert ausgelassen - er scheint im wesentlichen eine variante des bassman 200 zu sein, welcher auch eher spielzeug ist!
ein twin scheint mir zur zeit auch der einzige amp zu sein, der taugt und klingt!? aber auch er wird nicht den headroom von ner 300watt steel-transe haben...!
es ist echt nicht einfach einen wirklich guten amp zu finden!
beste grüße
guido
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Guido Hausmann
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Gütersloh, NRW Germany
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Posted 17 Dec 2008 10:31 pm
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mike, i think a 112 is just right for practise! but i need one for a loud band!
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 6:29 am LOUD band
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Walter Killam
From:
Nebraska, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 8:10 am huh?
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Hi Guido,
If I am reading the babelfish translation correctly, in your opinion the Fender Steel King doesn't have what you are looking for. If you are looking to break the ~200 watt ceiling then you should probably be looking at piecing together a component system, many PSG players prefer to use a preamp into something like one of the Stewart PA series amps, this can get you into high wattage with a relatively light payload.
Personally I have a 79ish SF Twin Reverb (135 watts ultralinear output stage) which has always been more than enough to stand out in any live situation. It's really heavy, so I hardly ever use it.
You are probably also facing some supply issues, I have not idea what's available in Germany, or what your local power supply is like.
You may want to investigate the Eden WTX series of Bass amps, I have the 260 which is plenty loud for me and weighs in at 5 pounds, Eden has announced the development of the WTX-500 but I haven't seen one yet. There are a few other players on the forum who use the WTX-260, if you search it you can find their thoughts & setups. The advantage to the Eden WTX series is that they have a smart Power supply, so all you would need is the appropriate adapter, and you can plug in anywhere in the world.
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 8:14 am
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If you already own a Peavey 112, I would suggest just buying another one.
I really like running two amps.
Besides uping your power, it spreads your sounds around. |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 8:24 am
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
If you already own a Peavey 112, I would suggest just buying another one.
I really like running two amps.
Besides uping your power, it spreads your sounds around. |
Not that I'm a Kenny Chesney fan (I want to make that perfectly clear), but who's the guy playing steel for him?
He runs two Nashville 112's. Obviously he mikes them, because they play large arenas and stadiums, but if the number one touring act in today's country music industry has a steel player that utilizes them, then I would say that's a pretty good recommendation...
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 8:56 am
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Mark,
When the Nashville 400 was "the" amp, I always played with a pair of them.  |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 10:54 am
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The amp that has the biggest bottom end over anything else I have played through is the new Webb. Great build quality and superb tonal options. More costly than Peavey 112's, but you only need the one amp.
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Clyde Mattocks
From:
Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 11:30 am
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Guido, I play in a loud band! The NV112 is all I need!
Good luck.
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 12:06 pm
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Almost any dedicated steel guitar amp will give you all the volume you need for the highs and midrange. As soon as you want the bottom end, even amps like the Webb and Steel King can quickly bottom out if you've set them to get lots of "boom" out of them.
You will have to look at something other than a combo amp for this and likely use more than one 15" speaker. I had a Stewart power amp feeding two 15" speaker cabinets and it had this sort of power. I could crank the bass way up and hit the bottom string on C6 at high volumes and not bottom out the amp or speakers. When you are sustaining a high volume bass note, most combo amps run out of power supply although they will handle huge transients in the range of 500 milliseconds.
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Roger Francis
From:
kokomo,Indiana, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 12:10 pm
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| I' m with the 112 guys here, at one time i had three of them, 2 on stage and 1 at home for practice or as a back up. I play in a very loud band and at times on stage i was told to turn down by the lead player of all people, and they had no problem hearing out front cause we were miked. I had all the lows i could handle and more if i wanted them. And like Erv said, it does spread your sound around and if you seperate them a little (couple feet) they sound even bigger. MPO |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 1:18 pm
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Erv, you are in good company.
Chesney's steel player, Jim Garrett, used to play a pair of 400's, and when the Nashville 112 arrived, he switched to a pair of those.
Here is a link to a video of Chesney's band talking about their equipment, and at about 5:45 it's Jim Garrett's turn to explain his setup. Jim says in reference to the Nashville 112, "dyanmite comes in small packages!" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hNoONXf2lY
As far as the new Webb amp, what are they going for? I can't do much research right now - have to get back to work - but I couldn't find prices on Tom Bradshaw's site.
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 2:11 pm
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Mark,
I guess I like the Nashville 400s for their 15" speaker. |
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William Matthews
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 2:53 pm
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| I have 65 amplifiers to choose from, so maybe I'm not the best to answer this question BUT, if I wanted to " have it all " I'd use my Ampeg VT22 with JBL D120's and an extension speaker ( JBL K140 ).. If I'm not moving the gear, I'd use my Alembic F2B preamp, McIntosh MC2300 power amp, and 2 of my Hard Trucker 15" cabs.. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 4:13 pm
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| William Matthews wrote: |
| ...I'd use my Alembic F2B preamp, McIntosh MC2300 power amp, and 2 of my Hard Trucker 15" cabs.. |
Hi William,
Can you post a pic of your rig?
Sounds like a Jerry G. rig!
Cool,
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Mark Eaton
From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 5:56 pm
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
Mark,
I guess I like the Nashville 400s for their 15" speaker. |
So you're saying that you still play through a pair of 400's? I'm confused, because in an earlier post you write about the 400's in the past tense:
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Mark,
When the Nashville 400 was "the" amp, I always played with a pair of them. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 18 Dec 2008 8:21 pm
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| William Matthews wrote: |
| I have 65 amplifiers to choose from, so maybe I'm not the best to answer this question BUT, if I wanted to " have it all " I'd use my Ampeg VT22 with JBL D120's and an extension speaker ( JBL K140 ).. If I'm not moving the gear, I'd use my Alembic F2B preamp, McIntosh MC2300 power amp, and 2 of my Hard Trucker 15" cabs.. |
William,
I like the way you think!!!!
Brad |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 6:56 am
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Mark,
I still fire up the Nashville 400s every once in a while but mainly I play through a rack setup.
You have to understand that besides suffering from terminal GAS, I am also a gear head.
I'm going to be playing for a Christmas eve program and I think I'm just going to be using a Fender Custom Twin Reverb w/the 15" speaker. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 8:59 am
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| What Greg said. You might also look at using a large bass amp with a POD or similar EFX unit. |
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Guido Hausmann
From:
Gütersloh, NRW Germany
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 10:03 am
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...there's so much ways to go! for now after all read and thinking about, i'll try to put a pa powerblock modul into a 15" loaded closed back cab with two holes in the front baffle board!
(tc - would like to order one of your splits, but it's to expensive shipping them to germany)
then i'll try out some preamps. maybe sarno or maybe have build up one by my tech! and it's definitely a tube one!
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Sho~Bud Pro II, Sho~Bud LDG, Fender '79 Vibrosonic 1x15 JBL, Fender '72 Bandmaster Reverb + Custom 2x12 Vintage Alnico Cab, Fender 75 1x15", Randall Steel Man 500, Peavey Session 500, Goodrich L120, Sho~Bud Pedal
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Marlin Smoot
From:
Kansas
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Posted 19 Dec 2008 4:46 pm Amp
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| Guido - Check out a Peavey Session 500. |
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Larry Scott
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2008 9:59 am
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Guido if you have not tried a Webb do so.
I bought a new one from Tom Bradshaw a few months ago. It is a serious piece of equipment, blows anything I have owned......Session 500 400,NV112 and
the FSK.
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