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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 25 Nov 2008 9:18 pm |
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Why is there a groove on the finger tops? they line up off a little from the string pins so I don't think you are going to slip the string in that groove.. so why
is it there?? Push Pull by the way .. |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 5:35 am
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| Without seeing a picture. I can't say for sure. But it sounds like normal wear.......bb |
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Benton Allen
From:
Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 5:50 am
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Scott,
There should be no "grooves" on the top surface of the finger originally. I agree with Bobby. Without seeing it, I'd say it's due to wear also. Got a picture?
Cheers!
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Lynn Stafford
From:
Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 7:58 am Emmons PP Changer Fingers
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Scott,
The changer fingers for each string on an Emmons PP changer are split. One to raise and one to lower. Look closley while you both raise and lower the E strings and you'll get the picture. Also, you can flip the guitar over and place it in the case while you watch as you work the E knee levers. Just wrap the string around the raise half (directly above the pin) for each pair of fingers.
I hope this helps,
Lynn |
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Pat Comeau
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 9:59 pm
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It's not a groove, it's the gap between the two halves of the finger.
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Matthew Prouty
From:
Warsaw, Poland
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Posted 26 Nov 2008 10:44 pm
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Richard,
Is that a Banjo string?
m. |
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 27 Nov 2008 7:02 am
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Richard,
What is the yellow strip, and why is it there?
I think I know, but want to know if it works.
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 27 Nov 2008 7:21 am
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Bill - Over the years there have been several discussions about "zinging" or "ringing" 4th strings. I noticed it on my old MSA, my Emmons, and my Mullen. Others, too, have noticed it on their guitars. Usually, but not always, replacing the string will take care of the problem. I believe Richard places a small strip of plastic on the changer finger to stop the problem.
By the way, it's not a case of there being a worn groove on top of the changer finger. I think it has more to do with overtones, the string tension, and the way it is plucked. |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 27 Nov 2008 11:26 am
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Matthew,
It's not a banjo string, the string had just broken, and as I am almost as tight as some of our Scottish forum members, I had enough string left to form a loop, and get another two years out of it 
Bill,
Lee is correct, I use a thin strip of plastic to mute the fourth string 'whine', that, for some reason, nearly every steel that I have played exhibits. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2008 1:15 pm
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| Richard, I had to do that on my first Shobud, back in the 70's. I used a small piece of thin leather. But it didn't have to go over the top of the finger. The string still sat on the top of the finger, and the leather was just long enough to fit from the string post to the top of the string's knotted end. For some reason, it was the knots that were causing the ring. |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 27 Nov 2008 9:06 pm split changer
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| Now I see the light .. two parts of the finger .. raise and lower .. thank you all |
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2008 5:33 am
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Re: the 4th string sitar effect....it drives me crazy! I have put small bits of paper under the string, lots of things, they do seem to help. It does seem to be a little more prevalent when there are grooves in the finger.
I have heard that the buzz is due to the length of the string's rewrap at it's ball end along with the string's tension for that note (usually an E). That seems to make sense. When I look at the rewrap I see it's long enough that it climbs up the rear of the finger above the ball. It seems to me that if it was shorter such that it cleared the finger then the string would set on the finger more.....and perhaps not buzz. I dunno. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2008 5:54 am
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| Eric, that's what I was talkin' about. Way back when, I had to buy single strings from a store that had a full catalogue. Earnie Ball's were all that was available. The "rewrap" knot was too long for steel guitar. |
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2008 7:43 pm
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You know, I can't believe that only a few steelers have this problem with what I call the sitar effect. Yes, I do have some steels that don't have it, but I have an equal amount that do. Certainly some pros must experience it! So, what do they do to get around or fix it?
One last question. Are there some string brands that have a short "rewrap" which allows the rewrap to "clear" or stay off the finger? |
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Nigel Mullen
From:
Cassilis, New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2008 2:52 pm
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| My push pull developed this same 4th string problem a few years back. I corrected it the same as Richard has done with a small piece of clear plastic under the string. Works very well. |
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Ron Wright
From:
Modesto,CA
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Posted 29 Nov 2008 4:07 pm
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what did you use for the plastic piece?
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 29 Nov 2008 5:44 pm
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| that's weird. in 38 years i've never had that problem....there must be a better fix than something stuck under the string! |
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Dan Murphy
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2008 10:12 am 4th string ring
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Hey guys , I have had my Mullen RP now almost 2 yrs, and the other weekend at a gig I just had this happen. It was freaking me out  I thought somthing was wrong with my ax. I had a sitar sound not only on the 4th , but the 5th also . So at break I changed both of them,and looked at each one carefuly . I noticed a tiny flat spot on the string just where it breaks over the top of the finger .I put a tiny drop of oil on the rollers and also on the tops of the fingers.The sitar effect was gone after I put new strings on.  The strings were on there at least 3 mts, so maybee they were just worn  |
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Nigel Mullen
From:
Cassilis, New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 30 Nov 2008 4:05 pm
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| Ron: The plastic piece can be cut from any plastic bottle that you have around the house. The bottles that windshield washer fluid come in work for me. I find that if you put one of these small plastic strips from the ball end of the string up to the top of the finger it stops the zing and does'nt effect sustain. I have tried all of the other methods mentioned above and none of them worked for me. I even changed the finger and the zing was still there. It seems to be something in the string itself that causes the trouble. The little plastic strip solved the problem completely on my Push/pull. Hope it works for you. |
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Ron Wright
From:
Modesto,CA
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Posted 30 Nov 2008 4:09 pm
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thankyou Nigel
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MSA S12 Classic XL 5/5
NV 112
NV400
Peavey Special 130
Ovation
Gibson 330
boss DD3,DS-1,TU-2,PS-2,Behringer rotary rm600
Goodrich 120,BoBro,RV2,Hilton Vp, Steeldriver3 |
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