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Topic: Retrofret has two National Dynamic lap steels in stock |
Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Steve Hamill
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California, USA
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 7:15 am ebay |
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| This model in what appears to be above average condition has sold on ebay recently for under $500 2-3 times. I've been watching for one locally so I could try it out first. |
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Rick Alexander
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 7:30 am
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Those look like nice specimens alright Andy, but you're right - they are overpriced.
The 2008 Vintage Guitar Price Guide values them from $450 to $600.
You should be able to find one in that price range . .
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Steve Hamill
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California, USA
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 7:41 am
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| I got a reasonably clean one of these on eBay last month for half that price. Needed new tuner buttons, as usual. They don't have the output of the Supro pickup with the plate on top and magnets on the side, or a bakelite Rick, but they offer unfettered right palm space and access to high frets, they have a nice acoustic sound (it's my current couch potato axe), and you can't beat the looks. That same dealer also has a very clean T-8 Dynamic for $1,200, which dollar-for-neck and rarity's sake seems like a much better deal. |
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Rick Alexander
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Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 7:57 am
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Doug, where is that triple neck Dynamic?  |
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Steve Hamill
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California, USA
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 8:03 am Rick
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Click on the guitars link at the top and scroll about 10 pages in. I got dibs on the Supro double neck!
There's a cast aluminum Gibson thats amazing and has no price posted (ouch)
I really dig the Regal Octofone too! |
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 2 Nov 2008 10:45 am
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Guess they figure that a full color pic of David Lindley holding one in the latest Fretboard Journal ups the cache' - and the price. I'm betting they're right.
When folks grumble about the prices of vintage guitars in excellent condition, my reply is usually along the lines of: "Well, are they gonna be making any more 1954 National Dynamics? Can you run out to your nearest Guitar Center and buy one?" |
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Rich Hlaves
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Wildomar, California, USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 1:55 pm Re: heres one that went for $405
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I sniped that auction and lost by $5 !  If I had not been such a tight-wad what day I would be the owner of that Dynamic. I'm jonesin' for one but $.5k is about my limit for a clean one. Dealer prices, ouch! |
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Jim Konrad
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The Great Black Swamp USA
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 2:19 pm
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| Pretty sloppy peghead treatment what with those Schaller-style (!) replacement tuners and strap button. Yuck. $250 seems about right. |
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Rich Hlaves
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Wildomar, California, USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 4:06 pm
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| Jim Konrad wrote: |
| What about this one? It didn't even sell!!! |
I saw that one. It was running at the same time as the guitar I lost out on.
The tuner change turned me off big time. That headstock is buchered.....drilled to 10mm for the "replacement" tuners. I did talk to the seller, he didn't have the old tuners or the covers so a blew the auction off. I'm kind of a nut for originality on vintage stuff. I would have been willing to re-bush the headstock (stewmac parts) but finding the covers and tuner strips would be more than it is worth to me. They where originally changed because it needed knobs! OUCH! |
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 5:10 pm
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| And for all you lap steelers forever replacing crumbled plastic tuner buttons, Stewart McDonald now sells replacements in a vintage ivory/creme color in addition to white. Just got some. Really good match in size and shape to the war and post-war era Rick bakelites, but will also work great on Klusons and all the tuners National/Valco/Supro used. So now do I re-replace all the ones I just did on a National Dynamic S6 and on a D8 so they look more vintage? Argh! |
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 3 Nov 2008 6:24 pm
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| I haven't heard a Dynamic. Is their tone similar to a New Yorker?? |
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 9:29 am
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| Andy Volk wrote: |
| Guess they figure that a full color pic of David Lindley holding one in the latest Fretboard Journal ups the cache' - and the price. |
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Brad Bechtel
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 9:47 am
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The picture is INSIDE the magazine. You have to buy the magazine to see the picture.
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Brad’s Page of Steel
A web site devoted to acoustic & electric lap steel guitars |
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Rickey Mitchell
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Fresno the center of California
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 11:16 am
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| Bill Creller wrote: |
| I haven't heard a Dynamic. Is their tone similar to a New Yorker?? |
I've own both. Unfortunately I couldn't afford to have both at the same time.
I had the dynamic pictured, also exactly like the one Mr Dave is holding in the mag. It had a great searing tone but a New Yorker came up on ebay and I was able to sell the Dynamic in time to get it. I paid $400 for the Dynamic on ebay by the way.
With the three pick ups on the New Yorker I can get a few different tones, so far.
Back to the Dynamic. As you all may know the Dynamic is a single coil pick up steel,it doesn't really need that big old cover. (The only single coil pick up I like is the P-90). As I said the Dynamic had a great searing tone, tons of treble, I don't like tons of treble,there was no mellow. I played blues for the first of my career followed by jazz then I combined them with a bit of rock. Bottom line my New Yorker does not quit get that searing tone of the dynamic, but it gets the ones I want ,could just be me Sorry if I gave too much info.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n265/paddle-and-flies/Dynamic.jpg
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Rickey (Noel) Mitchell
paddleandflies.com
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 11:31 am
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| Rich, are you sure you lost by just $5? The guy might have put in a much higher final bid than yours, but the automatic bid thing might have only had to go 5 bucks more than your final bid. When I needed a Fingertip pickup, I put in a high bid of $250. Had to have it to complete the guitar. But I only had to pay $85. |
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Rich Hlaves
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Wildomar, California, USA
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 3:00 pm
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John,
I guess you can never be 100% sure. I sniped it at my "highest I want to pay" and lost to some one who was willing to pay more. His max could have been considerably more than mine.
Rickey,
From what you say I may not enjoy a Dynamic as much as I thought. I too own a New Yorker and really like the tone. It has a depth and clarity that none of my other steels have except maybe my BR-9, as you say a P90.
RH |
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Doug Freeman
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Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 14 Nov 2008 5:11 pm
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| FWIW, I like my '50 Dynamic quite a bit better than a '49 New Yorker I recently sold. Same pickup—the big single coil—but the Dynamic just has more going on acoustically. That New Yorker, in fact, was my least favorite of all the late '40s to early '50s Valco/Supro/National steels that I've had. That tuxedo color schemed lucite sure was easy on the eyes, though. |
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Rickey Mitchell
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Fresno the center of California
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Posted 15 Nov 2008 7:37 am
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I use a SUPERIOR a HAWAIIAN lap steel for acoustic.
I was looking for a good electric sound, after a few steels my New Yorker and my BR-9 were it. Don't get me wrong the DYNAMIC had that great searing tone but so does my New Yorker + numerous others.
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If you worry more about the tools your building with than what your building, you'll never get anything Built
Rickey (Noel) Mitchell
paddleandflies.com |
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 15 Nov 2008 1:53 pm
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| I guess we are down to the fact that guitars of the same model "generally" sound the same, but not really identical. Even bakelites don't all sound the same. My New Yorker sounds nice, but I've been spoiled by Rickenbachers during the last few years. I'm down to five steels because I rarely play most of them. Just sold two. |
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Rickey Mitchell
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Fresno the center of California
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Posted 15 Nov 2008 2:36 pm
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| Bill Creller wrote: |
| I guess we are down to the fact that guitars of the same model "generally" sound the same, but not really identical. Even bakelites don't all sound the same. My New Yorker sounds nice, but I've been spoiled by Rickenbachers during the last few years. I'm down to five steels because I rarely play most of them. Just sold two. |
I haven't had a chance to play a bakelite rick yet.
My first lap steel was a Rick, a metal body one somebody found on a beach. It cost me $40 and another $75 to get it restored. It sounded great while it was in tune but it was extremely temperamental to change in temperature.
I traded it for a fender p bass.
I'm trying to be practical about my number of lap steels.
I want another Weissenborn hopefully one made by Paddy Burgen .
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If you worry more about the tools your building with than what your building, you'll never get anything Built
Rickey (Noel) Mitchell
paddleandflies.com |
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Nice buy it now price huh?