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Foot tapping!

Posted: 28 Aug 2006 10:38 pm
by Fred Kinbom
I find myself tapping my foot a lot when playing acoustic lap slide, and I think that something (i.e. a foot Image) keeping a basic beat complements lap slide very well. How could I make my foot tapping more audible in a live setting (like Xavier Rudd does, for instance). Without going as far as a kick drum and pedal, what alternatives may there be?

Any suggestions would be most appreciated!

Many thanks,

Fred

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Posted: 28 Aug 2006 10:53 pm
by Don Kona Woods
Keep your feet to yourself. Image As the pun would go. Image

I believe the foot tapping is a distraction for those who would be listeners. At least I find it so. I heard a performer not long ago tapping his feet to the beat and he was unconscious to how loud and distracting it was. I believe that it was a little bit of nervousness coming out so there was understanding.

Some say that tapping your feet can sometimes end up interfering with keeping good time, especially when playing with others.

This is my $.02 worth.

Aloha, Image
Don

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 1:27 am
by Roman Sonnleitner
Fred,
unless you need to work completely acoustic/unplugged, there is a device that would be perfect for you - a kind of mat or pad that lays on the floor, which has a built in piezo pickup to amplify the tapping of the foor; unfortunately, while I clearly remember seeing that device in some online music store, I can't remember the maker or name, but maybe with a bit of googling you can find out...

Another alternative; a bass-drum pedal, with an kick-pad mounted to it instead of a drum; the signal from the pad can trigger a sound from an electronic sound module (there are special ones for drum sounds).

For unplugged gigs, just wear Dutch wooden shoes and play on top of a hollow box Image

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 3:10 am
by Bill McCloskey
Take a listen to Chris Smither sometime. He employees foot tapping as a fine art to accompany his guitar playing and it works very well. He uses a piece of plywood that has a pickup attached to it.

There is another device called something like the Front Porch bass or something like that which is designed for the very same purpose.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 3:13 am
by Fred Kinbom
Thanks very much! Now I know what to look for (or try to build myself).<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Fred Kinbom on 29 August 2006 at 04:14 AM.]</p></FONT>

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 4:19 am
by Brad Bechtel
The stomp box is one option. Andy Ellis makes some fine looking resonator guitars, and a little box for amplifying your foot tapping.
A cheaper alternative is to take a drawer from a chest of drawers out and put it upside down, then put a microphone underneath it.

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Posted: 29 Aug 2006 5:30 am
by Dave Boothroyd
Put your foot on a tambourine.
Cheers
Dave

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 8:00 am
by Ray Montee
It's not uncommon to see a "foot pounder" completely out of step with his playing.

Sorta like some gum chewers/drummers..........that chew off beat.

And ahhhhh.....the sixty piece symphony orchestra with sixty individual foot stompers each stomping to his/her own tempo.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 8:41 am
by Keith Cordell
I used to use a board with 1" raises on both sides with a large Shure piezo attached to it for stomping to blues tunes. Being off the beat actually works in those situations, as long as it's not constant. Listen to some Junior Kimbrough for a good idea of what it should sound like.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 8:48 am
by Bill McCloskey
"http://www.porchboard.com/html/models_o ... _info.html"

Here is another one.

Despite what some other posters say, amplifying your foot stomp with your playing can be an extremely effective technique. Again I point to Chris Smither who comes up with a different foot pattern for each song and it is hardly "distracting".

I've never understood the need for some posters on this forum to chime in their "opinions" which have nothing to do with what the poster is looking for:

It would be like responding to someone looking for tabs to "Hey Goodlooking" by saying they shouldn't play country, or they shouldn't use tabs, or that you just hate the song Hey Goodlooking. What purpose it serves is beyond me. Quite honestly, no one gives a blank whether you like foot stomping or not. I love footstomping, but that is immaterial as well. they only post that matters is the one that helps the poster get the answer he is seeking.

and that is MY 2 cents.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 9:46 am
by Dieter Bauer
Here is a nice example of foot tapping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GROpZSlh5ww

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 9:46 am
by Don Kona Woods
While an individual poster may be looking for direct answer to a question, I believe it serves the poster well to have different perspectives that he/she may not have thought about beforehand in order to help him/her make an informed decision. At least it doesn't hurt. IMHO

Aloha,:
Don

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 9:55 am
by Rick Jolley
Dieter,

Gives a whole new meaning to the word "indigenous."

RZ

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 10:04 am
by Bill McCloskey
"http://www.smither.com/misc.html"

Chris Smither uses a condensor PZM on his foot pad.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 1:37 pm
by Stephan Miller
Fred-- this can be a cool idea. People like Chris Smither really do enhance their recordings and live performances this way. On the other hand, I've noticed some solo performers who keep perfect time vocally & instrumentally, but whose (unmiked) tapping feet are not quite in rhythm with the song. In case you haven't done so, you might try recording that foot-tapping to a variety of songs/rhythms to make sure your time is what it needs to be. You know, before you foot the bill Image for accessories.--Steve

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 1:55 pm
by Dave Zielinski
i think the device is the "porchboard" there is a guy that sells these at all the guitar shows. you can hear that thing all day.

Scott H. Biram also uses one of these in his one-man band.

I personally like the dresser drawer. has that good old down homeness about it.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 4:19 pm
by Terry Farmer
Tap on, son, and don't let nobody tell you any different. There's a certain liberation to not knowing what you can't do. Go for it.

Posted: 29 Aug 2006 4:25 pm
by Øystein Røysi
Hi Fred,
I have to agree with Terry.
There is a Norwegian guitarist who made a whole CD dedicated to the use of foot tapping and stomping. It's even called "Tramp", which is Norwegian for stomp. The guitarist's name is Knut Reiersrud, if you should try to find the album.

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Posted: 29 Aug 2006 6:05 pm
by Andy Sandoval
John Lee Hooker also used "foot tapping" to his advantage and came up with some timeless classics in the process.

Posted: 30 Aug 2006 1:15 am
by Loni Specter
Harry Manx uses an amplified foot pad live on almost every tune. He's touring a lot, so go to his web site and see him live if you can. www.harrymanx.com

Posted: 30 Aug 2006 3:03 am
by Fred Kinbom
Thanks very much everyone for the tips and recommendations! Much appreciated!

Fred

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Posted: 30 Aug 2006 7:13 am
by Mark Utting
A local player here in Boise uses a kick drum pedal directly hitting a shure SM57. No drum needed. I sounds pretty good.

Mark

Posted: 30 Aug 2006 8:05 am
by Loni Specter
Hi Fred,
Here's the stomp box Harry Manx uses. Just found it! http://www.ellisguitars.com/
oops, I just noticed Brad beat me to it!
Scroll down a bit and it's there.
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Posted: 30 Aug 2006 5:25 pm
by Don Barnhardt
It never occured to me to use foot tapping for anything but keeping time. I usually play unaccompanied now I think I'll experiment with this concept JFTHI.

Posted: 31 Aug 2006 6:09 am
by Chris Lang
I always tap my foot on a cut of plywood. It just sounds good and helps me keep time.