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Topic: An odd copedent request |
Mac Knowles
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Posted 23 Apr 2008 4:28 pm |
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I've had a request from a newbie player who's just purchased a steel secondhand I built about 8 years ago. It's a regular E9th SD10 with 3/4 setup. For some reason he's fascinated by the "A" pedal and wants me to put it on the RKL instead of the regular P1 place. Seems a little strange, but I suppose you could get used to anything. I'm thinking of putting the "B" pedal (G#>A) on the first pedal and the C pedal where the B was. Don't know what to do yet with the old C pedal. The other knees are LKL = F pedal, LKR = D# pedal, RKR = 2nd string lower only. Anybody got any ideas on this kind of setup?
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b0b
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Posted 23 Apr 2008 5:46 pm
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Has he tried anything else on RKL? I think that, as much as we use the A pedal change, it would make the volume pedal harder to master if it were on RKL.
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basilh
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Posted 23 Apr 2008 7:32 pm
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| I've always had my B-C#'s on RKR and E-D# on Pedal C.. well at least since 1969 |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2008 10:14 pm
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Ignore what I said then.  |
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 24 Apr 2008 1:37 am
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Not really b0b, It's taken me 'till know, and I'm not sure that the description "Master" it applies in my case. ..... I "Get By"
The physiotherapy after Polio left me ambidextrous and pedidextrous (Is that a word ? If it isn't it should be)..
I'm pretty sure that your comment is valid in (let's see how many members there are here..)7444 of the 7445 users/players. |
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Mac Knowles
From:
Almonte,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Apr 2008 2:37 am
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Thanks guys,
I never even thought of the volume pedal issue 'till you mentioned it. Anyway I'll probably put it the way he wants it, but he'll probably want it back to normal fairly soon.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 24 Apr 2008 8:45 pm
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I play some fast licks by stepping on the A pedal (and/or the B & C) and letting off it very quickly. I don't see myself being able to do this quickly if the change was on a knee lever. Especially if it was on the right knee where I have the volume pedal to contend with.
I would leave the floor pedals alone.
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 2:26 am
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You'll never know until you try ... These changes are done with the B-C# on the RKR and the E-D# on P3, G#-A on P2 And the E-F# etc. as P1. E-F is LKL and RKR is B-C..
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Mac Knowles
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Almonte,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 3:31 am
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I've hooked it up the way I said I would, RKL = B-C# and P1 = G#-A. It works fine...bit of a brain teaser at first though. P3 is now P2. I'll leave P3 open for awhile 'till I figure out what to do with it. This is a pull/release guitar so takes a bit of tinkering to get the odd changes to work right. Originally the guitar only had 2 knees. I've just put the RKL, RKR levers on it so the whole thing has been a fair bit of a construction project anyway.
Interesting to hear all your opinions and suggestions though....thanks a bunch!
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 3:54 am
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Mac you should put the E-D# change on a pedal next to the G#-A, BECAUSE it's the most common chord change there is.. Tonic to Dominant and back again..
Did you listen to the sound clip ?..
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 10:15 am
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Basilh,
Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to put the A pedal on a knee lever and the E - D# lever on a pedal?
The reason I ask (besides pure curiosity) is that on the c6th, I moved pedals 7 & 8 onto knee levers to prevent playing with 2 feet. Although, if I had it to do over again, I would have put pedal 6 on a lever instead of pedal 7. It's real dificult to hit the pedal 7 (A-B / C-D) change as quickly as I can on a pedal (it's on RKR).
Unfortunately, I don't have sound working on this computer at this time. I would like to hear your clip.
EDIT: I was able to download the Mp3 to my Mp3 player. Very nice playing.
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 11:00 am
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| Basil, very nice clip! |
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 11:42 am
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Way to go Bas...cool.
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 12:10 pm
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Richard, I suppose that if I E-Mailed you the clip, you wouldn't be able to burn it to a CD and play it ?
As for why the oddball copedent, That's me, I'm odd..
The real reason is that I started playing pedals Hawaiian Style and when I got a twin neck Emmons in 1970 I put my Hawaiian Copedent on neck 1, and neck two I set up as E9th (With a 6th) a la Weldon..
I just decided that the most common change was 1-5-1 and put that on two side by side pedals, that meant that I had to have the B-C# change on a knee lever |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 1:17 pm
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Basil,
I was able to download the clip from your site and into my Mp3 player. Very nice. Did you write that song?
To keep on track, Basil just proved that the A pedal can work on a lever. I say , try it out and see if it works for you.
One thought though, I would do like Basil did and put the E-D# on the pedal next to the G#-A changes or on the knee opposite the B-C# change. I often use the A&B pedals together with the E-D# lever.
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Mac Knowles
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Almonte,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Apr 2008 3:10 pm
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Real nice audio clip Basil. Yeah..I maybe will put the E-D# on P2 although it's not too bad as the LKR. I don't think it'll matter too much to my customer. He's never played steel before anyway. It'll be a lot easier for him if he sticks with the conventional Emmons setup or such but? I suppose on your car if the gas pedal was on the left and the brake on the right and you'd never driven a car with it the other way around it wouldn't be a problem!
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