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Topic: Sho-Bud Crossover Copedant |
Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 18 Feb 2007 7:27 pm |
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I would have thought that this would be an easy thing to find, but after hours of searching the internet and the Forum I'm at a complete loss. 
Can anyone out there tell me what was the copedant for the Sho-Bud/Baldwin Twin 10-string Crossover with 6 crossover pedals and 1 crossover kneelever when it left the factory ? |
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Gregg Thacker
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Pasadena, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 12:51 am
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Hi Alan,
I happen to have the Copedent that Pete Drake used on his Sho~Bud. It belonged to Buddy Emmons and Buddy loaned it to Pete. It is in the Book "Pedal Steel Guitar' written by Winnie Winston back in the '70s. I read somewhere that that particular Sho~Bud was a crossover model. Anyway I hope that this will help you in what you are wanting to find out. I'm sure that someone on the Forum can clarify this in case I am mistakened.
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E9th Chromatic: 1 2 3 4 5 6 < >
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C6th: 1 2 3 4 5 6 < >
G A
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Gregg
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Gregg Thacker
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Pasadena, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 12:56 am
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Well Alan...For some reason, it did not turn out like I typed it . Not sure what I am not doin' right. I sent you E-mail....Sorry
Gregg |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 8:12 am Wild!
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I fixed it for you, Gregg.
Those are some really different changes on the E9th! It's really strange that there are no changes at all on the 2nd, 7th or 9th strings.
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 8:34 am Re: Wild!
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| It's really strange that there are no changes at all on the 2nd, 7th or 9th strings. |
Did Pete play those strings? |
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Kyle Everson
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Nashville, Tennessee
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 8:51 am
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Hey Gregg. I was at the Hall of Fame this weekend and I believe the guitar you speak of is in an exhibit there. It looked like a Permanent to me, but I'm still learning my Bud models. This is one that Buddy loaned to Pete and then Pete gave back to Buddy. It is a blonde D-10 with black necks and fretboards. Says "Buddie Emmons" on the front (note the spelling  ). Very cool indeed.
Kyle |
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Jay Jessup
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Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 10:59 am
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Earnest,
If he did it sure wasn't on any records that I ever heard!! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 11:12 am Re: Wild!
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| Earnest Bovine wrote: |
| Did Pete play those strings? |
Maybe not, but the copedent is interesting nonetheless. There's a classic story of "Pete Drake's dream" that describes how he came up with the idea of the E to F# and B to D together. Lloyd Green then subtracted a half step to accomplish the same thing with the "A" pedal and the now-standard "F" lever.
What fascinates me is that Pete Drake had the F change on 8th string (according to this chart), but it didn't occur to him to raise the 4th string along with it. Odd, isn't it.
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Earnest Bovine
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 11:18 am Re: Wild!
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What fascinates me is that Pete Drake had the F change on 8th string (according to this chart), but it didn't occur to him to raise the 4th string along with it. Odd, isn't it. |
Maybe that was a limitation of the instrument. |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 1:02 pm
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The mark that Pete made on what we all do is undeniable. However, if you asked him to play a scale... he couldn't. He made that change so he could have I-IV-VIIb all at the same fret. He didn't realize he could just raise the "E" a half, and move up one fret coming off of the middle floor pedal to get the same thing, and have a much more useful change in the process.
Sometime, when I have time, I'll have to pass along the "Pepsi jingle" story about ol' Pete... it's hilarious...
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Duane Becker
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Elk,Wa 99009 USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 8:43 pm
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| Alan, I've got the ShoBud pamplet for the crossover with the factory copedent on it. I could email it to someone if they would post it here. Let me know. Duane Becker |
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Gregg Thacker
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Pasadena, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2007 9:46 pm
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Thanks Bob for fixing the Copedent to where it looks like the way that I typed it out. Wish you would E-mail me and explain how you do it so I will know how.
Mr. Everson...
I have the instruction book "Pedal Steel Guitar" by Winnie Winston and in the appendixes, it shows several of the Steel Guitar Legends copedents. There is Earnie Hagar's Copedent and it stats that his Sho~Bud is a "crossover" Model. Both Pete's and Earnies Copedents look the same except the notes are different to some degree.
Mr. Douchette...
I wish that you would share the "Pepsi Jingle" story about Pete Drake..I definately like to read it as I am sure that several other Forumites would love to read it.
Mr. Becker...
I'll bet that if you E-mail B0B, that he would be able to help you as far as sending the Pamphlet and copedent to the Sho~Bud Crossover to where it can be seen on the Forum.
This is getting pretty Interesting...
Gregg
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Michael Douchette
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Posted 20 Feb 2007 3:49 am
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Ok, I had time to type it last night, so here goes…
Pete, while a Nashville mainstay and one of the busiest guys around, was unable to read a note of music, or even play a scale. He had a tremendous ear, and just knew what to put where to make a “career defining” record. Here is the Pepsi jingle story.
Pete had his own studio, Pete’s Place, just off Music Row. He was notorious for staying up all night working on tracks, and sleeping in, usually dragging in around 1 p.m. or so. The Pepsi bigwigs had a jingle booked at his place years ago, a 10 a.m. session. Of course, Pete didn’t show up. At the end of the gig, around 1 o’clock, here comes Pete. The rest of the guys are finished and packing up, and they need Pete to put on the steel part to give it the final touch.
The Pepsi guy hands him a couple pages of actual notated staff paper with the part they want Pete to play written out. All the other guys are just looking, thinking the old man has just had his a$$ handed to him. Good luck, Pete… let’s see ya get outta this one.
Well, Pete has them turn on the tape, and he studies the music they handed him with great attention, a pro hard at work determining how his part will fit in. The tape stops, Pete says ok, let’s do this, he goes in the room, puts the music on the stand, sits down, puts on the phones and tells the engineer to fire it up. Just as the count off hits his ears…
Pete rakes his picks across the strings, making a sharp scratching noise that stops the tape, and he says, “You know, guys… I’m hearing something. Something in my head… tell you what. Let me just try something, and if you don’t like it, we’ll go back to what’s on the page here. Start it again.”
Well… it starts, and Pete does his typical thing that he does every day. The guy from New York goes bonkers, screaming, “That’s f-ing IT!!! THAT”s what I came to Nashville for!! That’s f-ing PERFECT!!!”
Pete lights up a cigar, walks into the control room, signs the card double scale, winks at the other pickers and goes up to his office… several hundred dollars richer than he was 60 seconds ago. The other pickers, hoping that Pete was gonna get nailed this time, just saw the “Master At Work” yet again. He was smooth, ol’ Pete was…
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Mikey D... H.S.P.
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/ |
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Kyle Everson
From:
Nashville, Tennessee
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Posted 20 Feb 2007 8:50 am
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| Gregg Thacker wrote: |
Mr. Everson...
I have the instruction book "Pedal Steel Guitar" by Winnie Winston and in the appendixes, it shows several of the Steel Guitar Legends copedents. There is Earnie Hagar's Copedent and it stats that his Sho~Bud is a "crossover" Model. Both Pete's and Earnies Copedents look the same except the notes are different to some degree. |
Yeah, I got to thinking afterwards and the guitar in the Hall of Fame is different from the one you described. It was a permanent with 8 pedals. That guitar was, however, traded back and forth between Buddy and Pete, according to the museum. I'd like to get my hands on either one of those models  . |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Duane Becker
From:
Elk,Wa 99009 USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2007 3:34 pm
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| The tuning chart above is from the ShoBud Baldwin pamplet on the crossover. Thanks b0b for posting. Duane Becker |
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Mike Wheeler
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Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2007 4:10 pm
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Michael, thanks for that story. I'd have loved to see that whole scenario live. The looks on the other musicians' faces would have been hilarious.
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Gregg Thacker
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Pasadena, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2007 6:17 pm
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Thank you Mr. Douchette for sharing the Pete Drake "Pepsi Story" I really got a kick out of reading that. I am going to print it out for future referance. Thanks again. 
Gregg
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 22 Feb 2007 8:12 pm
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Thanks everyone. Within about two minutes of my posting this topic John Coop e-mailed me a copy of the original Sho-Bud catalogue which detailed the copedants. Since then I've received a stream of information from members.
Thank you all for taking the time to help me. What a great Forum this is, and a great bunch of fellows. |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 7 May 2008 5:30 pm
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| A member of the Forum asked me what the Copedant of the Crossover was last week, so I think this is a good time to resurrect this topic. |
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 7 May 2008 8:07 pm
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Alan-I was teaching guitar in Santa Rosa,California in 1963-68 and I was going to order one of those Sho- Bud Crossovers. I got one of those brochures , Looks like the one that b0b posted. I called the company and asked him If I could put any tuning I wanted on it . He asured me that I could. I didn't believe him at the time as I only saw two rows of holes on the endplates. That looked like one raise and one lower. So I passed on it. I didnt know at the time about the great barrel tuners and no need for bellcranks. Back then you bought it when you ordered it, and I wouldn't unless I saw it first. Since then I have had 3 or 4 Sho-Buds with barrel tuners...al.
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Steve Waltz
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USA
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Posted 8 May 2008 9:51 am
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"It belonged to Buddy Emmons and Buddy loaned it to Pete. It is in the Book "Pedal Steel Guitar' written by Winnie Winston back in the '70s. I read somewhere that that particular Sho~Bud was a crossover model."
Looks like a permanent to me. I think this is the guitar that was Buddy Emmons guitar first. I think that's why the name plate is on the front covering "Buddy Emmons". I believe it started as an 8 string asn was converted. |
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