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Topic: E9: Lower string 10 low B to A on pedal C? |
Cliff Kane
From:
the late great golden state
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Posted 24 Mar 2008 5:46 pm |
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For the E9 tuning, 3x5: I'm wondering if anyone is lowering their string 10 low B to an A with pedal C? I'd like to be able to get down to a low A, but I don't want to add a pedal or lever. It seems like lever C might be a good place to add this change. Is anyone doing this? Any problems with putting it on the C pedal? Any input on this idea is greatly appreciated. BTW, I play "Emmons" set-up and lower my B's to Bb's with my vertical ever.
Thank you,
Cliff |
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 24 Mar 2008 8:07 pm
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Cliff -
FWIW, I've had it on the C pedal since the late '70's . . . Ron Elliot gave me the idea, he had it on his orange Marrs S-10.
Over the years I've sat behind several other steels that had it in other locations, but for me, the C pedal is the best place.
Stiffens up the pedal action a tad but I can live with that.
Dunno just where you are in SoCal, but if ya need help Jim Palenscar's got a great shop in Oceanside.
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Marc Friedland
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Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 24 Mar 2008 8:44 pm
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Cliff,
I also like the low B down to an A.
I have two Carters, a 3 & 5 and a 4 & 5.
On both of them, here's what I have on my vertical knee lever:
5th string lower a 1/2 step to Bb
10th string lower a full step to A
Obviously, I don't play them both at the same time whenever engaging the lever.
This particular setup works fine for me.
Marc |
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Cliff Kane
From:
the late great golden state
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Posted 24 Mar 2008 9:05 pm
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Hey guys,
thanks for the good info. So, Russ, it sounds like it works pretty good for you, that's good to hear. I do know Jim in Oceanside, he's a great guy and wonderful craftsman/tech. Mark, that's a cool change for the LVL, I think I'll go ahead and try that first as I can just readjust the pull that's already there, it will give me a chance to play with the low A, then perhaps try it on the C pedal.
Thanks,
Cliff |
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 24 Mar 2008 9:35 pm
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Cliff -
You've probably thought this out, but if you have the 9th string lowering by a half-tone, that change works 'hand-in-hand' with lowering the 10th.
With lowering the 9th, you'll have an octave of Major Scale notes between the 10th string lowered and the 6th string raised (B pedal).
~Russ |
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From:
Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 1:28 am
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Cliff,
for the past two years I've been lowering 10 from B to A on my A pedal, and rasing it to C# on my C pedal. I love it and wouldn't change back. Lowering to A without raising 4 to F# gives me a big fat root note of an A major chord with pedals A and B down and 9 lowered to C#. Also makes for a beautiful A major seventh chord.
I still like the traditional effect of raising 10 to C# to go from a I to a IV chord, using the 10-8-6 grip (a very different effect than simply grabbing the C# on string 9), so I put the 10th string raise over on the C pedal. That does, however, make the C pedal pretty stiff, which I don't like, but it's just the price of doing business, I guess.
Dan
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 8:04 am
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| We see this change (low B - A on the C pedal) a lot on guitars we set up for Al Brisco's customers in Canada. Al uses this change and I don't think he would like to be without it. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 8:11 am
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Years ago when I lived in SoCal a friend of mine who I worked with on occasion named James O'Rafferty had this change on his A pedal. What he did on his basic tuning was tune his 9th string to C# and had a raise to D on a knee lever. His A pedal raised the 5th string B to C# and lowered the 10th string B to A. With the 9th string already tuned to C#, when he'd push the A & B pedals that A6th would be right there. I think it's a great idea.....JH in Va.
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 11:24 am
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Wow, what an idea. You'd think in 50 years I would have thought of that.
Jerry |
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Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 12:04 pm
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I tune my 9th. strtng to C# open, lever to D. Works will on the B6th.side (lower E's to Eb)gives you that root note to the 2nd. note ,that many C6th. players would like.C to D. I tune U12,but 12th. string is E. I do have the 5,6,7 pedal changes U12 but have then set on pedals 4,5,6. . Pedal 4 is set up like pedal 7,pedal 5 like 6,pedal,and my pedal 6 like pedal 5. Just changed around.  Joe
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 12:07 pm
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| I do that with the 4th, the PF pedal. JJ |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 12:18 pm
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I do the same thing Joe M. does on his 12 string....JH in Va.
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Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 12:23 pm
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Jerry, I got the idea from you  ,well most of it. Joe |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2008 7:03 pm Lower the 10th to A and the 9th to C#
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| Did anybody ever try lowering the 10th string, B to A and the 9th string D ot C# with the C pedal, thereby getting a nice A6th on strings 10, 9, 8 and 7...on string 6 you would have G# for a maj7th? |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Mar 2008 10:27 pm
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Since I have an extra LKL on my Derby, I Lower #10 (1-tone) [B] to [A] on my RKR along with #2 (1-tone) [D#] to [C#] and #9 (½-tone) [D] to [C#]. Then, I only Raise #5 (1-tone) [B] to [C#] on the (A)-Pedal. And finally, I really haven't missed my #10 [B] to [C#], but; I have the Raise-Change on my extra LKL, just for when I absolutely need it!
E9~LL1~LL2~~LV~LR~~A~~B~~C~~RL~~RR
F#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~G#~~~~
D#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~E~D/C#
G#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A~~~~~~~~~~~
E~~~~~~~F~~~~~~~Eb~~~~~~~F#~~~~~~~
B~~~~~~~~~~~Bb~~~~~C#~~~~C#~~~~~~~
G#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A~~~~~F#~~~~
F#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
E~~~~~~~F~~~~~~~Eb~~~~~~~F#~~~~~~~
D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~C#
B~~~C#~~~~~~Bb~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A~
I haven't played set up like this for an extended period of time, but; so far, with the time I've spent on it; it seems to be working out quite satisfactorily! I discovered that I don't really need to Raise #10 very often at all! And if I didn't have the extra LKL, I could still get by w/o that change very easily!
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Bill Pillmore
From:
Asheville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2008 7:03 am E6
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Wow!
I put the 10 string lower B to A on the A pedal,
put the 9th string to C# and the C# to D on a lever
with my 7th string F# to G
Wow - the whole bottom of the guitar has opened up for me. 8 strings cords!
Bill |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 2 Apr 2008 4:51 pm
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| Cliff.....I have been using a B on my 9th, raising it to C# with the C pedal or my RKR. My A pedal lowers it to A. I use a low E on my 10th that I lower to C# with my F lever....Full chords and easy Travis pickin when you want it!. Extended E9th...Larry |
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