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Topic: One word: *orchestration* |
Duane Reese
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2007 6:58 pm |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 31 Dec 2007 9:58 pm
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So many guitar players.
So little music. |
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Richard Sevigny
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Salmon Arm, BC, Canada
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Posted 31 Dec 2007 10:34 pm
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Take 1 classical score.
Add twelve 14 year old shredders.
Add a video camera.
Post on Youtube.
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2007 10:36 pm
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If these boys would turn up a little bit,They would be a big hit on the NEW grand ole opry,DYKBC.
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 5:15 am
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Bach. You have to love it no matter what is being done to it.
I actually liked the kids. Couple of girls in there too!!! |
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Bo Borland
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 8:41 am
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AWESOME!
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Rittenberry SD10 , Derby D-10, Quilter TT12, Peavey Session 400 w/ JBL, NV112, Fender Blues Jr. , 1974 Dobro 60N squareneck, Rickenbacher NS lapsteel, 1973 Telecaster Thinline, 1979 blonde/black Frankenstrat
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 9:10 am
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Okay, I'll say it. While I really liked the idea, I thought that they played really poorly. They basically butchered Bach.
It got me thinking that it would be fun to set up half a dozen steel guitarists and do the same thing (only better, of course). If someone were to come up with a good Bach arrangement for multiple steel guitars, I'd like to be one of the performers.
As for the Glenn Branca stuff, I'd never heard of him until now. The sound from my laptop's speakers is really bad, so I'll withhold judgment for now.
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 9:23 am
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| How about Glenn Branca's "Hallucination City" for 100 guitars. |
What the hell was that????? 
There's a new invention called a guitar tuner, those guys should pitch (no pun intended) in and buy one. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 10:03 am
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Instrumental music is more than just notes and chords.
No feeling
No dynamics
No nuance
No emotion or passion at all.
A computer could do that, and do it better. Kudos for their trying, but let's not celebrate mediocrity, not just yet. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 10:06 am
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Bob Ritter
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pacfic, wa
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 10:27 am
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I loved it. I have a teenage son who is finding his way in all this music stuff ( like we all have done) it is a thrill to watch him play..Imagine if that was one of your own sons or daughters on that bandstand ( I betcha you would be proud as a peacock)bravo to those kids I hope they stick with it. 
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 12:47 pm
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Bob ,You are absolutely rightIf one of those kids were mine ,I would be strutting around like a proud peacock,A band member of mine that has a music store and a studio has a son that just turned 20,I watched him grow up around the store and the studio,he's a great drummer,bass player and guitar player,I can't stand what he and his band plays,but they are really good at it,When some of these young guys get on my nerves,I think back when I was a teen back in the fiftys,my peers and I were doing the same thing,we were playing what our elders called [DEVIL MUSIC]Elvis,Little Richard,etc,Each young genenration will do ANYTHING to PO the old geezers,I did and each of the old geezers like me did it to.So when these kids are playing what I think is crap,they think it's music,so more power to them,AS LONG AS IT'S NOT RAP,that's where I draw the line,DYKBC.
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 1:02 pm
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| I've been a fan of Glenn Branca for close to 30 yrs. He is not someone you are going to listen to for romantic dinner music. There are a lot of different kinds of music and not all of them are the traditional melody and harmony. I went to the concert, at the Disney Hall, that had 100 guitars and, from a traditional point of view, it's a "noise" piece however, it has an enormous energy. The audience was packed and besides the energy of the music, it was a very enjoyable theater event. |
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 1 Jan 2008 10:13 pm
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Man, tough audience. I thought those kids were great, and had a good feel for Bach in a rock context. Would you rather they just do rock covers and not experiment with Bach? Or just have them play Bach sweetly and quietly on a classical guitar? I think Bach would have dug it.
Even though they used shredder guitar tone, they stuck fairly close to Bach's exquisite melody and harmony. Except in tone, what they were playing was nothing like Glen Branca's stuff, which gets very far from traditional melody and harmony.
Here's another classic take on the noise-as-music thing: Pink Floyd vs. Glen Branca
You have to be in the mood for it, but sometimes I think stuff like this, and Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, etc. are great expressions of the frustration and thrill of living in the insanity of the modern world. Sometimes when I sleep I have dreams of me playing that kind of stuff. Sometimes you need to give up refined traditional melody and harmony and get back to the primitive roots of music as a free-for-all with various noise-makers. Why does it all have to be prissy and pretty and rigidly harmonized? |
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Billy Wilson
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El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 12:04 am
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| My mom got a box set with 150 Bach CD's in it for Xmas. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 8:26 am
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| David Doggett wrote: |
Man, tough audience. I thought those kids were great, and had a good feel for Bach in a rock context. Would you rather they just do rock covers and not experiment with Bach? Or just have them play Bach sweetly and quietly on a classical guitar? I think Bach would have dug it.
Even though they used shredder guitar tone, they stuck fairly close to Bach's exquisite melody and harmony. |
I disagree. I thought they really butchered the melody, harmonies and even the timing. They "babyfied" it. I liked the tones, though, and it was a good basic rock groove.
If you want to hear classical rock done right, dig up "The Mozart Album" by a band called Sky. Mozart should have had a drummer!
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 9:47 am
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Give the kids a break, b0b!
I liked it, and the idea of getting a group of kids to learn a classical piece and perform it together.
I wish someone gave me that opportunity long ago when I was a long haired Hendrix wannabe guitarist in 9th grade.
If these kids were producing a serious album and going on a concert tour your remarks might be valid, but this looks like a school recital.
A local public school put on a production of "The Wizard Of OZ" last month. I didn't go, but I didn't hear anyone saying that it wasn't as good as the movie.
Happy New Year, ya old Geezer ! |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 11:53 am
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| Well, it's all a matter of taste. But I would say they "adapted" the original Bach to their own purposes rather than say they "butchered" it. While a more accurate rendition of the original with the rock tone would also be interesting, it just doesn't bother me that they took some liberties with their adaptation, which I liked. It is completely acceptable in the classical tradition to do variations on a theme of another composer (as long as you are honest about it). |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 2:31 pm
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| David Doggett wrote: |
| Well, it's all a matter of taste. But I would say they "adapted" the original Bach to their own purposes rather than say they "butchered" it. While a more accurate rendition of the original with the rock tone would also be interesting, it just doesn't bother me that they took some liberties with their adaptation, which I liked. It is completely acceptable in the classical tradition to do variations on a theme of another composer (as long as you are honest about it). |
I think when you remove essential notes from the melody, "butchered" is the correct word. It would not have been too hard to play it correctly. These kids didn't seem to have much trouble with it. Is electric guitar harder to play than a tuba? I don't think so!
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Bo Borland
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 7:47 pm
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i liked it.. no value judgements from me . these kids probably don't even know who wrote the tune..
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Rittenberry SD10 , Derby D-10, Quilter TT12, Peavey Session 400 w/ JBL, NV112, Fender Blues Jr. , 1974 Dobro 60N squareneck, Rickenbacher NS lapsteel, 1973 Telecaster Thinline, 1979 blonde/black Frankenstrat
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 9:09 pm
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Well, the youth orchestra is blindly reading the standard orchestral score, which runs more than 9 minutes and is available from any musical publishing house. It's a literal transcription of the original organ piece. The guitar guys obviously transcribed their own 3 minute adaptation (or maybe their teacher did) and added their own rock-style embellishments. If that's "butchering" then I like it, and commend them for their effort and creativity. I also love the way the Modern Jazz Quartet "butchered" Bach. And I shudder to think what b0b would think of the banjo Bach I have heard.
But if you want to be purist, I prefer the original organ version (click here). Somehow those whiney strings or clarinets in the orchestra and band versions just don't have the spine tingling power of a good organ. And in the organ version, you can hear every note in spades. I think the guitar guys captured a lot of that power in their short version. The banjos...um...not so much (I'm sort of sorry I conjured up that image now).  |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 2 Jan 2008 10:57 pm
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Dijerido, singing bowls, ocarina, oboe and pedal steel.
And they ALL work well ensemble.
That's orchestration!
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