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Topic: Sennheiser 609 vs SM57 Opinons? |
Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 12:56 pm |
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It's a bad time to want to change, so I'll wait a while.
Last night I had a gig from heck where I couldn't get a reference from anything onstage. It all blasted unmercifully. I didn't bring my 57s and had to drape a borrowed one over my HRD. I didn't get much help from it.
Tonite I'll at least bring my own 57 and a mike holder. Sheesh..
I've had a couple 57s for a few years, and have had no problems.
Not having a mike holder last night is a stupid reason for wanting a "Drape Over" mike like the 609.
I'd get at least one if somebody could convince me that they're better mikes.
Anybody?
Thanks.
EJL/HFLE |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 1:23 pm
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Eric,
the 609 is a cheapish reissue of the classic 409. The 609 is really good sounding on guitar amps. They actually make a 906 now which is said to be nearly identical to the classic 409 but it's a lot more money. But even the 609 at $99 is a great mic for guitar amps. It's a smoother, warmer sound and I'd say go for it for sure. It's always nice to avoid the mic stand factor too. I like the 57 for lots of things, but these flat Sennheisers really do sound good on amps. For your use, I'd pick the 609 over the 57.
Brad |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 1:49 pm
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I've used a 609, and I agree with Brad. It does what it's supposed to do quite well. And ruggeder (that's a Southern word) than you'd think, from what I hear.
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 2:39 pm
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I use a Shure SM57 for all my steel parts and the Sennheiser 609 for all my guitar parts. Both great are mics and pretty easy to find a sweet spot for sound.
Greg |
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 3:27 pm
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The guitar player and I both use the 609 and it works great. We both drape it over the amps and have no problems.
I've walked out front to listen to his guitar and it sounds very good to my ear.
My band recorded a CD at a Studio in South Texas and they used a 609 on the session and it sounded good on playback.
You can't beat the price either. |
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 4:43 pm
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http://www.sound-expressions.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MuGadgets&Product_Code=AC191&Category_Code=Sound
Here's some info I found:
Tonal Character For Guitar Amps!
Building on the performance and popularity of the Evolution 609 and legendary MD 409 dynamic microphones, Sennheiser has re-engineered the e609's capsule for a punchier sound with more clarity to better capture the raw energy of guitar amps and loud brass instruments. Musicians and engineers flocked to the e609 due to its distinctive side-address design, supercardioid pickup pattern and famous low-mid growl.
What's new about the e609 Silver? The tonal character has been tailored to more closely match that of the original MD 409 and cosmetically the new mic will be identified by the silver front grille, which will also help to orient the microphone correctly, even in dim stage lighting. The frequency response of the e609 Silver is 40Hz to 18kHz; sensitivity is 1.5mV/Pa; and nominal impedance is 350 Ohms.
The physical construction and side-address configuration of the e609 is identical to its predecessors in that placement remains exactly the same. Simply hang it in front of the amp's speaker and it will faithfully pickup any sound the amp can dish out. |
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Jerry Erickson
From:
Atlanta,IL 61723
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Posted 8 Dec 2007 5:29 pm
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 9 Dec 2007 8:19 pm
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Well the second night went a WHOLE lot better with the 57 aimed at the dome. I have been paying more attention to the PA EQ, and it just needed a few lows cut, and it came through like a champ.
I'll try a 609 when I get a chance.
I can't help but think there is a difference from a mike that is securely held in a clamp, and one that is hanging free. Maybe, and I can see how, there are more lows transmitted from the cab, through the clamp.
Anybody notice this?
At any rate, the 57 worked a heck of a lot better aimed right.
Thanks for the replies and I'll post some results as I get to try one.
EJL |
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Jim Walker
From:
Headland, AL
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 9:26 am
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I noticed while using SM 57's with a gooseneck mounted to the cab or on a mic stand, it has tendency to pick up sounds traveling through the flooring. With the 609 hanging free over the cab, the true sound of my amp was coming though and not everyone on stage.
JW
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Show Pro D10, Session 400 |
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Louis Vallee
From:
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 5:54 pm
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I pefer the e609 with my NV 1000, i think they sound a little warmer or natural like the amp it's self.
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Louis
'08 Magnum D-10 8&5 * Hilton VP * Lemay MK-1 * Peavey NV 1000 * Rick Johnson Cabs * Walker Seat. |
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T. C. Furlong
From:
Lake County, Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 5:07 am
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No matter which mic you prefer, draping it over the amp is not ideal. I have found it best to allow a bit of distance between the grill and the mic. So back in the early eighties, I invented this little gadget.
It works with any mic and allows lots of placement options and weighs just ounces. It's called the Z-Bar and you can get them from your local pro audio store.
TC |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 5:35 am
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TC.
Ironic.
I took a 3/8"x3/16" strap and bent it in an L shape with a twist and a round eye at the end wrapped in rubber tape to hold the 57 tightly, and slipped it under the handle as shown. Seems to work good.
I'm gonna hold off on the 609 til after the holidays and see what I come up with.
Thanks to all for the info.
EJL |
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Marlin Smoot
From:
Kansas
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 8:05 am
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I'm no expert - I do like the 57 for my guitar amp (Twin) and a 58 on the steel amp (Session 400) and also like having it set a little bit away from the grill too as TC and others have mentioned. Sometimes 4 to 5 inches away and offset from the cone about 2 inches and I have no idea why. I set the mic's on the short mic holders with goose necks.
I really like the idea of the 609's and they claim they are designed for that application, so it must be ok to place that mic that close. The added value is you don't have to carry more mic stands. About the same price of a 57 or 58 too. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 9:34 am
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TC, you did that Z-bar? Cool! I've run across those a lot in the past. Great, simple idea. You make a good point about the flat on the grill thing. I've found with the Sennheiser flat grill mic's that part of the deal is convenience, and correctly positioned can get the right midrange and treble, but I nearly always have to ask the sound person to hi-pass and also cut the bass back because the close proximity makes it too big and bassy to blend with the band well.
Brad |
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T. C. Furlong
From:
Lake County, Illinois, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2007 7:16 pm
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Yup Brad that was me alright. My prototype was a broken drumstick with an Atlas sidearm clamped to it! You are exactly right about backing the mic out away from the grill a little bit. It makes a huge difference.
TC |
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