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Victor Eaton
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 1:21 am |
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HELLO ALL OUT THERE
Iam new to the steel guitar forum and have just started to learn this Instrament and can see its going to be a long process The guitar i have was once owned by jimmy c day around 1964 its a sho bud double neck .My brother also has a sho bud but underneath its all cables , No rods as mine is can any one tell me when these were made it looks old but in fine condition Thanks vic eaton uk. |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 2:08 am
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In all my years of pedal steel playing
and owning almost every model of Sho-Bud
from Maverick to Super Pro including early fingertip,permanent,and cabinet end models-I have NEVER heard of or seen one that was cable operated
 We need to see some pictures of this  |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 2:44 am
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Victor Eaton
From:
England
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 3:38 am
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HELLO ALL
Thanks for replys I will get some photos my brother lives in cornwall and me in hertfordshire so will be as quick as poss HOPE HE HAS NOT BOUGHT ONE with a sho bud badge stuck on the front as my good friend david hartly thinks .we shall see !
Thanks vic eaton uk. |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 4:39 am
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| Bobbe Seymour recently expounded the virtue of cables over rods in one of his recent newsletters. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 5:35 am
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| I had a Fender 2000 and although I didn't have a lot of problems with it, there is no contest in comparison to my Franklin with rods. |
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Blake Hawkins
From:
Florida
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 6:33 am
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As Andy said, there were some Mavericks with cables.
Have a friend who owned one. Didn't believe it until I saw the thing.
The early Maverick I have has rods.
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Roger Edgington
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 6:42 am
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| There is a Maveric in a store here for sale that has cables. |
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 7:06 am hi
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The Fender 1000 that I have has cables.
ernie |
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 6 Dec 2007 11:34 am
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I owned a Maverick that bit me many times and made me bleed.
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2007 12:49 am
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I have worked on all variations of Sho-Bud Maverick
Early maple bodied ones with raised neck (with and without roller nut)
transition model maple body with no neck and sunken keyhead
late model brown vinyl covered sunken keyhead
NONE OF THEM HAD CABLES
the puller rods are thinner than most standard ones
not much bigger than "coat hanger" wire but not as plyable
I'm not claiming to know about every Maverick that was ever made
I myself have never seen a "cable operated" Maverick |
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Victor Eaton
From:
England
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Posted 7 Dec 2007 3:29 am CABLES
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HELLO PAUL
I WILL speak to my brother in cornwall tonight about this cable sho bud and get a clearer picture and hopefully get him to send some pictures of it esp the underneath . regards vic .uk. |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2007 4:16 am
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Victor E-I would be glad to see some pics
I would be surprised if it is all original-
if it is well I'll chalk it up to learning something new everyday! |
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Andy Sandoval
From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2007 4:57 am
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| I myself have never seen a "cable operated" Maverick |
Feast your eyes Click Here |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2007 6:03 am
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In essence, The "Maverick" is simply a chintzy "instrument". It's a poor excuse for mechanical workmanship. Neither of the instruments described in this post, or the one shown on e-bay resemble the original "Maverick". I installed 4 knee levers on one of those little nightmares. The striker plate that controlled finger travel accuracy was hopeless.
I installed a material that would resist the cutting effects of the jagged fingers. The adjustment screws were out of alignment as well. It may be the only Maverick steel guitar in existence with 4 cable driven knee lever changes. I'll check with Fred Smith in Pittsfield to learn if the "steel" is still in Pittsfield. I want to point out that the birdseye maple construction had a great reproductive sound, but the simplistic changer was a disgrace. |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 12:08 am
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| Andy S-this Maverick has the same thin tuning rods as all the others NOT cables |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 8:07 am
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Jack Stoner, you amaze me, it's the Fender lack of engineering that made it play hard, not the cables. Cable can be wonderful if done correctley. Look at Domeland, Bigsby and the original MSA's and you'll see some great cable action. But then I know you probably haven't heard of a lot of these steels being a sort on Newby to the biz. Also, these is such a thing as a Fender 1000 being set-up and adjusted to where they will play as easy as anything, including the aluminum rod Phranklyn. Shocked you don't know this either,,,,,,,,, 
(still love ya' Jack)
your buddy and good friend,
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 8:20 am
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Paul Warnik, when I was at MSA in the beginning, ('63)Danny and I converted several Sho-buds to cable for the customers that wanted to get rid of the rattle of the rods, can't remember how many, but I know we did a double nine for Hal Rugg and Tony Farr once, but you are correct, Sho-Bud never used cable, probably should have.
Actually, Sho-bud was the first company to use rods on steel guitars on a custom production line built pro steel guitar. The first rods under the guitars were BIG!!! Near 1/4 inch, but remember, most Sho-Bud guitars didn't raise and lower, both then. Nor did any have many pedals, and NO knee levers. This was in '57-'61.
Intresting years these were. I was a full time road musician at the time with Geo. Jones, I drove his "59 Pontiac Catalina Wagon" to the gigs, and we ALWAYS got there! (Close at times though)
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2007 11:51 pm
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| Bobbe S-thanks for confirming that Sho-Bud never used cable-I'm not surprised that somewhere there are perhaps a few that were converted to cable operation but they were obviously not made that way from the factory-And yes we know that cable operated guitars (Bigsby,Fender,Wright) can be set up to play pretty sweet despite what most players consider a more primative mode of operation |
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 1:47 am Where in Cornwall
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Hi Victor,where in Cornwall dose your brother live,i Also live in Cornwall,and it would be great to talk to another steel player that lives in the same county as i.Thanks.
J.G |
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