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Topic: C6 in '36 ? |
basilh
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Posted 22 Jan 2006 5:24 pm |
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Removed at Lorraine's request<
[This message was edited by basilh on 28 January 2006 at 09:32 AM.] |
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 22 Jan 2006 6:27 pm
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Basilh-If my Memory still is good, I don't remember anyone playing C6 in 1936.
We played a lot in A6 and raised the F# to G to get the A7th.
And we dropped the 3rd string A to G# for our C# minor tuning.
That is the way I remember it in 1936 at 15 years old and playing in bars.....al 
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Chris Scruggs
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Posted 22 Jan 2006 6:35 pm
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It doesn't actually say he played C6th IN 1936. Why couldn't he play C6th on a guitar he had bought in '36? I've played c6th on guitars older than Byrd's contribution. Yeah, he probably played open A at first, what's the big deal?
This seems slightly pedantic...
[This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 22 January 2006 at 06:39 PM.] |
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basilh
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Posted 22 Jan 2006 7:00 pm
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George Keoki Lake
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Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 22 Jan 2006 9:36 pm
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| I cannot recall the term "C6th" being used back in those days, but I do recall the Am7th tuning which is basically the same. |
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2006 8:53 pm
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The white cover/serial number arguement is good. He could of had one of those later on and they're just getting blurry on the details some 70 years later. The three fingerpicks caught my eye, too. But why couldn't he? That's fairly common nowadays, perhaps he dabbled in this approach decades before it caught on.
I hate to be disagreeable (and that's not my objective), but I just don't see much point in correcting this poor person on the basis of "implication".[This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 23 January 2006 at 11:25 PM.] |
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2006 2:42 am
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| Looking at your hand, it's hard to see why you wouldn't try a third (and fourth) fingerpick at some point or another - it's a pretty obvious path of experimentation. |
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basilh
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Posted 24 Jan 2006 4:39 am
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basilh
From:
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Posted 24 Jan 2006 6:29 am
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| George, I think that the reason the tuning was called Am7th in the mid 30's, is probably because the Hawaiian guitarists of that era related their tunings to E, A, their relative minors, sevenths and 9ths, and at that time C as an "Open" tuning was just not in common use. (In the EHG world) [This message was edited by basilh on 24 January 2006 at 06:30 AM.] |
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Stephan Miller
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Silver Spring, Maryland, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2006 10:08 am
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| Baz, I would agree if E-B-E-G#-C#-E had been called E6 instead of C#m7... |
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2006 7:28 pm
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It would help me to be "on the mark" if I knew what to be aiming at! This wasn't explained in the original post. I just don't enjoy picking people apart who aren't musicians when they do their best to communicate. As she has asked for a fact check, well then that is just wonderful.
I do find it very interesting how he removed the one cover to stash his picks and bar. I've never forgotten my picks and bar, but I would think a compartment like that would be useful... It seems he beat me to the punch.
Basil... do you know Phil Morgan? |
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basilh
From:
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Posted 25 Jan 2006 2:16 am
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Chris, my apologies if I didn't make it clear why I was disputing the "Facts" I thought that I I left it "Controversial" I might get the "Big Fish" to rise to the bait
and maybe, just maybe, glean a little more info for Lorraine to use..
As for knowing Phil Morgan, I could, where is he/she from?
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2006 10:15 am
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Alderham, way down south. He used to play steel in a group called the Tennessee Rhythm Riders. He recently aquired a Fender 1000.
CS[This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 25 January 2006 at 10:16 AM.] |
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Michael Lee Allen
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Portage Park / Irving Park, Chicago, Illinois
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Posted 27 Jan 2006 11:12 am
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| Alvino Rey the earliest to use three fingerpicks??? There are many film clips of him in the late thirties and immediate postwar period where he switches from standard guitar to steel and uses a flatpick. Eddie Alkire was probably the first steel player documented to use three fingerpicks as in his EHARP system. Alvino Rey was as unreliable as Leo Fender or Les Paul in interviews. A6th and E6th were in use with published methods in the late 1930's. Same intervals as C6th...just a different key. |
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basilh
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Posted 28 Jan 2006 10:10 am
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We can get definitive proof one way or the other about his picks and tuning, if someone could check out the "Dallas Morning News" October 3rd 1938 page 4.
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Don Kona Woods
From:
Hawaiian Kama'aina
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Posted 28 Jan 2006 11:44 am
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Baz,
I looked at the Dallas Morning news archives and this is what is on page 4, October 3, 1938 -
Current Issue: 1938-10-03 > Sec: I Page Four
Thought Burglar, Hubby Shot by Wife
Hitler to March into Sudetenland, Second Time a Conqueror in 205 Days
Revenue Drop Causes Hike in Deficit
C. S. Bailey Services Set
8 States Have Blood Test in Marital Laws
Czechs Agree to Cede Areas for Hungary
Funeral Hour Changed for Pioneer Farmer
Political War Turns on Issue of President
Thinking out Loud
Hitler to March into Sudetenland, Second Time a Conqueror in 205 Days
Peasants Throw Flowers at Incoming Poles
Clocklike Precision Marks Occupation
U.S. Proposes Textile Mill Subsidy to Make Cotton Goods for Relief
These Youngsters Have Great Time at Church
Renewed Fight on CIO Asked of Federation
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 28 Jan 2006 11:51 am
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Sorry Don.. Thanks for looking.. BUT I gave the WRONG date it should have been OCT. 2nd 1938
Top of the page is "Jack Benny Program Returns" and then a picture of Freddy Kualana Tavares..
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 28 Jan 2006 12:20 pm
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It's above the article "$150,000 for Dance Music; Jottings of Cabaret Row"
It mentions Harry Owens' Royal Hawaiians playing at the Mural Room, and Freddy being the backbone of most of the band's arrangements, and one of the most important members..
The picture shows him close-up playing a Bakelite Rick and using 3 finger-picks |
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