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Topic: Phil Spector |
Dayna Wills
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Posted 9 Sep 2007 9:48 pm |
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Guilty or Not Guilty?
I am surprised that there has been no mention of him on the Forum since he had such an influnece on the hits of my generation, even tho I may not have known he was the producer.
I heard on Court T.V. that a celebrity has NEVER been convicted in L.A. (except for Fatty Arbuckle, and then his verdict was set aside) |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 3:03 am
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Sadly, I think he is guilty and will be convicted.
I met Spector without realizing it in 1969. I was working in the record sales department of a big music store called Wallach's Music City, in Hollywood. (Anybody who was in L.A. during that time will know the place.) Spector walked in, and I waited on him, At the time he seemed like just another anonymous customer. He asked me if I was familiar with the song "River Deep Mountain High"and I told him I loved the record and wished that the LP would be released soon.
The next day I received a package containing a test pressing of the LP and a thank you note from him. I still have the test pressing.
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Hook Moore
From:
South Charleston,West Virginia
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Edward Meisse
From:
Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 5:31 am
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I think he's guilty, too. I remember Wallach's Music City. I remember hearing some interviews with some of the girl groups he produced. They have a very high view of him in spite of having been treated badly (their words, not mine). Go figure.
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Steve English
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Baja, Arizona
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 8:00 am
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Guilty...although he'll probably skate.
The hair piece should get 20-30 in solitare.
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:05 am
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| Rachelle says that is his natural hair styled every day by Rachelle herself. |
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Steve English
From:
Baja, Arizona
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:16 am
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OK...then he should be brought up on a second charge.
The hair will get him life for sure.
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Dayna Wills
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Sacramento, CA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:26 am
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| In court last Friday it came down to two things: The limo driver's testimony that Phil had the gun in his hand and he said, "I think I killed somebody." and the defense showing that there was no blood on Phil's jacket. As in the Robert Blake case, the jury couldn't put the gun in his hand. It's hard for me to get around the fact that there's no blood on Spector, no nothing. Makes me "wonder" if maybe she did shoot herself, accidentally, and he felt "responsible" for bringing out the gun...."I think I killed somebody"... |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:42 am
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| Well, if ya shoot somebody, you don't necessarily get blood on your jacket do ya?? Even at close range. Why is this a critical issue? Now, if he dragged the body around afterwards, maybe... |
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:57 am
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Blood and gunshot residue might remain completely
in the mouth if the gun was inserted.
If he was badgering the woman while she was
in a semi suicidal frame of mine,
and pushed her buttons hard enough,
she might have pulled the trigger.
In which case he might suddenly feel
he pushed her to it. And blurt out something
stupid in the driveway seconds later.
He certainly by many reports was enough of
an SOB to talk like that when drunk.
But many past reports have him as a pretty paranoid drunk,
and while nice sometimes..
pretty tightly wound and then wildly unwinding
at other times.
Who knows.
It's a crap shoot based on what I have heard..
in the press.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 10:05 am
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| From the news reports, it would say "guilty". But, with the track record with celebrities, as previously noted, I wouldn't be surprised if he is acquitted. Or if he is found guilty, acquitted in appeals. |
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 1:24 pm
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I'd say she tried to push his hand, holding the gun in her mouth, away, and that helped fired the gun.
He's got a long history of such actions, and it finally caught up with him, costing this girl her life.
No matter. Guilty. |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 2:56 pm
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My wife is in involved in this case as an expert witness for the DA's office.
JE:-)> |
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James Cann
From:
Phoenix, AZ
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 4:10 pm
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Just recently finished Mick Brown's "Tearing Down the Wall of Sound: The Rise and Fall of Phil Spector": interesting and well-researched but a long slog about a very capable but seriously dysfunctional, paranoid individual  . Despite the depressing pace, how he got to be who he was (and is now) is fascinating, but it's a read not for everyone. |
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Michael Johnstone
From:
Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 5:16 pm
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Everyone I know who was ever around him for any length of time says he pulled a gun on them, brandished a gun in their presence or they heard about him pulling one on someone else they know.
But who knows - he could walk. |
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Ken Lang
From:
Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 7:07 pm
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| Even if he didn't pull the trigger, he's guilty of setting it up. I say murder in the 2nd degree and he won't walk. |
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 7:24 pm
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| Hello Dayna Wills,I remember Phil Spector & seeing him many time at Gold Star Recording Studio in Hollywood,Calif.where I did a lot of record dates & Demo sessions with Ed Henson & I think some were for Phil's Demos.Jerry Cole would know cause he played Guitar on them as well as Don Lee as well as John [Johnny Angel] Spezzie. For sure Phil was cockie & paranoid then.The person that could tell you a lot would be Ronnie Spector! I just can for the life of me understand how people having the whole world in there hands can be so coo coo.Is his gun still in his pocket? Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons with Clip Wings |
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Dayna Wills
From:
Sacramento, CA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 8:06 pm
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A thought I had was this: The women he pulled guns on 15 years ago were younger. Lana was 39 and had been around the block. It occurred to me that there being DNA on both parties' private parts, that maybe Lana thought she had done enough , maybe MORE than enough, and now this guy pulls a gun on her. She may have been tired, had a couple drinks at the castle, and wants to leave, (didn't wanna go in the first place) and she may have just decided she was too old for this &**& and tried to take the gun away, or slap it away. (I had to laff when the prosecutor said he didn't think her size was a factor, but apparently Phil did because he chose to use an "equalizer.")
Leo, You would think that someone who has it made would have sense enough not to risk it with stupid behavior, for example the Vick guy who was dog fighting, duh! |
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Johnny Rojas
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 9:21 pm
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I think he's guilty, but I will give him one thing: Although he does have a history of pulling guns on everyone he's worked with, he did so on Johnny Ramone when he was producing The Ramones' "End of the Century" (after forcing Johnny to do about 100 takes of the opening chord of "Rock n Roll High School"), and Johnny told him to go f&%k himself and walked out of the studio. So Spector may have been all talk.
On the other hand, Johnny was not scared of anyone, often openly daring his junkie, manic depressive, knife wielding bassist, Dee Dee, to stab him when they argued.
Who knows how an aging struggling actress may have reacted. He seems like a sick puppy who may have taken his perverted game a little too far.
I love his work, but I can't say I have too much sympathy for him.
Johnny |
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2007 10:09 pm
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| Hey Johnny Rojas,It's not my job to jugde Mr.Spector,but,he is getting what he put on himself.The Educational Music Brain he had was a GOD gift & the outlaw games that got him his fame is now taking his name away.I know those boys and they play hard ball with your money,not theirs.You're only as good as the company you keep.So,with that in mind you can see how it's gonna turn out.Guns & Arrows,he needs a ROSE! Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons with Clip Wings. |
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Jack Stanton
From:
Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey
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Posted 11 Sep 2007 3:33 am
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They should find him guilty for his mix of "Let It Be", if for nothing else!
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 9:08 pm
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| Hey Dayna! you're think for sure Phil would have more sense,but,as you and I know many Musicians who are like that,Crazy or is it maybe.your right in your words.Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons |
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Dayna Wills
From:
Sacramento, CA (deceased)
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 9:35 pm
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| Today, on Court TV, they were discussing how blood spatter couldn't help but be all over Spector, so why wasn't his white jacket covered in it? It was explained that Lana's face was intact, that the bullet did not exit the skull. They said that her skull was split in half, her spinal cord was severed, and the blood spatter didn't get past her skirt which was short and rode up high on her thighs when she sat down. They DID say that there was a little bit of blood on the cuff and under the right sleave on Phil's white jacket. ( I was mistaken when I said eariler that there was NO spatter)The defense says that he wasn't close enough to her to shoot her without getting spatter all over his clothes, but if there was so little spatter on her, then he HAD to be close enough to get it on his hand and sleave. The limo driver said Phil had blood on his hand holding the gun when he came outside. |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 9:50 pm
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a)
If he was so shocked and stupid to actually pick up the gun,
then trace evidence will transfer to him.
I am surprised there was no talk of Gunshot residue being found or not found on him or his close.
b)
If he shot into her mouth, some gases would have ended up on him from expelled gas.
Similar to a rocket ignition finding the route
of lease resistance to exit through.
They MUST have tested for this.
If he was nearby running his mouth
and she pulled the trigger,
he might then have been in case a) above.
I have been a juror on a high profile attempted murder trial.
The Vera Wang Bridal Shop shooting with the so called Bistro Bandits.
I believe one of the got 67 years consecutively...
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
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| daynawills wrote: |
| blood spatter couldn't help but be all over Spector, so why wasn't his white jacket covered in it? .... then he HAD to be close enough to get it on his hand and sleave. |
If he happened to be standing to one side, or if she turned her head a little, the blood coming from her mouth would have missed him. |
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