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New Dustpans for HSGA Convention

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 3:13 pm
by Rick Aiello
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Solid, sand cast A356 aluminum alloy ...
Potbelly pickups ...
Grover tuning machines ...
Concentric potentiometers (250K vol/500K tone/0.022 mfd cap)

I ended up going with polished aluminum (after much deliberation) and black wrinkle powder coated Potbellys.

The back plates are extruded aluminum with midnight blue wrinkle powder coat ...

The 22.5" scale Dustpan has the strongest pickup I've ever build ... it's 2" wide and I call it the "Sumo Belly" ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

These will be on display in the Dustroom at the HSGA Convention in Joliet...

Come on over and have a-go at 'em ... :mrgreen:

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
by Gary Lynch
More craftsmanship and detail than any vintage Ric. And how about those pickups! :whoa: These are priceless. :!: :!:

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 4:26 pm
by Matt Johnson
Those are the best looking steels I've ever seen.
Excellent job!

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 4:49 pm
by Jason Dumont
Rick you are a bad, bad, man!
I LOVE the polished finish! The fret work and inlaid position markers are a thing of freakin beauty.
In my long standing tradition of stating the obvious....
Fine job!

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 5:28 pm
by Andy Sandoval
Simpley beautiful Rick! how does the tone-volume control work? is the tone on the outer and volume inner? and if so is it easy to get the "boowah" effect with it?

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 5:54 pm
by Rick Alexander
Outstanding design and workmanship Rick!
Can't wait to see them on the Burrows Stand . .

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 6:20 pm
by Tom Pettingill
Wow ... those are beauties :D
Nice job Rick !!

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 7:33 pm
by Danny James
Yep, your a perrrrrfectionist alright! 8) :D

Anyone should be proud to own one of those. :)

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 10:13 pm
by Gerald Ross
8) 8)

I get to try these out in a couple of days.

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 10:18 pm
by Don Kona Woods
Can't wait to see them in person at Joliet.

Those are gorgeous babies. 8) 8)

Aloha, :)
Don

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 11:10 pm
by Derrick Mau
Excellent work Rick!!
Your steel's get better and better with each one you make.

Aloha :D

Posted: 6 Oct 2007 11:44 pm
by Paul Warnik
Rick-Very nice workmanship-Your website is a lesson in the old art of poured aluminum sandcasting-It must take alot of work to cut the fret slots and set the individual fretwires-I think that makes the frets more visable to the player than the original frypan design-Can you tell me more about the A356 aluminum alloy that you use? I am familiar with AlMag35 which was used in the original Bigsby castings-that being alloy of 35% magnesium with the aluminum-Is the A356 all newly produced material or does it have any percentage of recycled content? Also I am glad to see that you are now using #38 wire on the pickups like old makers such as Bigsby and Rickenbacker used-I also see that you are using a 0.022 mfd cap for the tone control-most of the older guitars used an 0.050 tone cap which are no longer available and the closest usually to be found these days is 0.047-so I guess what I am asking is how did you settle on the 0.022 cap? Thanks-PW

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 1:14 am
by Fred Kinbom
Fantastic Rick!!!

I love the backplates too.

Can't you please send one of those on a "European tour"? ;)

Fred

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 4:45 am
by Terry VunCannon
Rick...Those are beautiful!!! Keep up the GREAT work...Terry V.

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 5:48 am
by Rick Aiello
Thanks for all the kind words y'all ... :mrgreen:

Andy ... I have the "top" knob set for volume ... and the "bottom" knob set for tone ...

Paul ...
Can you tell me more about the A356 aluminum alloy that you use? I am familiar with AlMag35 which was used in the original Bigsby castings-that being alloy of 35% magnesium with the aluminum-Is the A356 all newly produced material or does it have any percentage of recycled content?
A356 aluminum alloy is the "premier" sand casting alloy ...

It is essentially 93% aluminum and 7% silicon (and some trace elements that don't add up to 1%).

The reason it's usually the first choice among foundry men who sand cast ...

1) It's silicon content ... which allows for a smooth flow thru sprues, gates, etc.

2) It is T6 heat treatable ... giving it a strength similar to that of mild steel ... thus it combines exceptional mechanical strength, fatigue strength and machinability.

Thats for things like cylinder heads, etc.

My main reason for choosing this particular alloy ... aside from it being recommended by virtually every foundry man I spoke with ... stems form my personal knowledge of crystals.

Crystalline materials are much more resonant than amorphous materials.

Being 93% aluminum ... and using gravity/low pressure based sand casting ...

The aluminum is free to form one huge crystal (well, almost) ... free of most of the "stresses" associated with die casting or an extruded aluminum product.

Less "stress" = Truer crystal formation = Better resonance = More "musical".

As I've said many times here ... "better tools via material science".
Also I am glad to see that you are now using #38 wire on the pickups like old makers such as Bigsby and Rickenbacker used
Something really special about # 38 (in my opinion). I do all my "Potbellys" and Ricky rewinds (for friends only) ... with it.
I also see that you are using a 0.022 mfd cap for the tone control-most of the older guitars used an 0.050 tone cap which are no longer available and the closest usually to be found these days is 0.047-so I guess what I am asking is how did you settle on the 0.022 ca
My "Potbelly" pickup breaks almost every "Paradigm" in the pickup world ...

The main one being ... copious amounts of steel in the construction of the unit.

Most pickup makers won't even use metallic base plates or covers ... worrying about the production of "Eddy Currents".

I "embrace" eddy currents ... :lol: :lol: :lol: ...

In fact the only "Non Metal" components in the entire unit ... is the forbon top (needed for lead attachment) ... and the insulation on the magnet wire. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I get away with it because of the tremendous magnetic field my units produce ... therefore ...

My pot/cap choice ... was determined by trying every conceivable combination ... then picking the one that best suits the huge magnetic field of the "Belly" and the solid crystalline body of the Dustpan.

The combo of a 500 K pot and a 0.022 mfd cap ... gave it the nicest overall roll off pattern.

The whole "package" (steel & pup) ... is a "study" in modern material science.

I love the "old sound" ... that goes without saying ...

But there is no doubt in my mind ... the key to the sound that I've strived for ... has "little to nothing" to do with reproducing vintage units.

My excursion into that "arena" ... left a horrible taste in my mouth ...

So much so ... that I need daily infusions of Sailor Jerry ... to get the taste out.

And Paul, I expect to do my best to eliminate that foul taste in Joliet ... and hope you will join me for a few :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 6:02 am
by Gary Lynch
Paul Warnik

I asked the same question regarding tone caps. I asked many pros. And I am sure Rick will answer your question more eloquently but the answer I got was; 'It makes no difference in sound' from the guitar itself. I know the web sites try to sell the paper in oil tone caps and vintage this and vintage that but according to those that build the guitars, tone caps make the difference in amplifiers and high powered items but not in a guitar where there is little running thru it.

If someone can prove otherwise, please present your case and Rick can present his. I would enjoy learning more. But my ears hear zero difference.

As a layman I only know I have purchased $25 vintage style tone caps and inexpensive $2 tone caps when replacing them on old Ric's and can hear absolutely no difference coming out of the guitar itself. I have tried both .022 and .047. There is a lot of hype about this on web sites.

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 8:49 am
by Mitch Druckman
Rick,
Thanks for continuing to post your work on the forum. Your contribution to the steel guitar community has been consistantly inspiring. Keep up the good work.

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 9:32 am
by Harry Dietrich
In the imortal words of Mister Crabb:
"Fine job me boy."
Too bad I'm just a poor old retiree living on a fixed income, or I'd buy one... or two.

All kidding aside Rick...another couple of exquisite masterpieces.

TRULY THE AGE OF THE CRAFTSMAN HAS NOT YET PASSED!

:whoa: :D :mrgreen:

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 3:01 pm
by Don Kona Woods
It is T6 heat treatable ... giving
it a strength similar to that of mild
steel
:eek:

That must mean that if I drop the Dustpan
it will not break but everything that gets in its way will. :\ :\

Aloha, :)
Don

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 5:17 pm
by Rick Aiello
Heat treating isn't really called for for this application ..

But I still wouldn't want to "catch one upside da head" ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 6:55 pm
by Brad Bechtel
Those are works of art, Rick! I envy the person who ends up playing them.

Posted: 7 Oct 2007 8:46 pm
by Paul Warnik
Rick A-Thank you for your detailed and informative explanation-It is clear that you are quite knowledgeable in the "science of sound" as it pertains to the instruments that you make-See you in a few days-have a safe trip to my "Land of Lincoln" home state-Then we will toast to all good things-dustpans,HSGA,#38 wire,and steel guitar playing friends :D

Posted: 8 Oct 2007 10:43 am
by seldomfed
OH MY :eek:

Save me a place in line - these are lovely to look at, and I'm sure they sound amazing.

can I trade in my #3 ? :lol:

chris

Posted: 9 Oct 2007 4:06 am
by Rick Aiello
Thanks again, y'all ...

We'll (these rascals and I) will be arriving in Joliet ... midday tomorrow (Wed) ...

See you there ... :mrgreen:

Posted: 9 Oct 2007 4:49 am
by Andy Volk
Rick, they just keep getting better with every pour season.

I didn't know there was a category called frypan envy 'til now.