8-String Hawaiian Lap Steel Tunings?

David Sizemore · Post by **David Sizemore** » 23 Oct 1999 8:56 pm

I just bought a new Morrell "Little Roy Wiggins" eight string Hawaiian lap steel and was wondering if anyone could give a total newbie any suggestions for tunings? All responses would be greatly appreciated.

Porter Fawcett · Post by **Porter Fawcett** » 23 Oct 1999 10:12 pm

E It is great for hawaiian music,
C also works great for other types of
A songs.
G
E
C
Bb
G

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c c johnson · Post by **c c johnson** » 24 Oct 1999 12:59 pm

look in scottys or john elys web site for a long list of popular tunings.

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mikey · Post by **mikey** » 24 Oct 1999 9:46 pm

If you are a guitar player just starting on steel E7 is easy to relate to: EBG#EDBG#E...If you want to play Hawaiian...I use C13: ECAGECBbC...Bb gives easy 7th chords and the low C is nice..just my 2 cents,
Aloha,
Mike

Jim Landers · Post by **Jim Landers** » 25 Oct 1999 12:15 am

David, there is a lot of instruction books, tab, and tapes available for the C6 tuning. That's the one that Porter laid out for you. You can order a lot of it through Scottie's, and Jerry Byrd has an awful lot of real nice arrangements tabbed out, that is available directley from Jerry. If you like country and Western Swing, Herb Remington has a lot available also. Herb's is arranged for the A6 tuning, but you can also play it on the C6 tuning. Hope this helps.

Jim

Jim Landers · Post by **Jim Landers** » 25 Oct 1999 12:23 am

Just thought of something else. If your just starting out, Cindy Cashdollar has a couple of really good instruction tapes available, that come with tab also. They are in the C6 tuning, and are availble from several different sources. Homespun is one.

Jim

Dennis Boyd · Post by **Dennis Boyd** » 30 Oct 1999 9:40 pm

Here's a form of C6th tuning that I've been wanting to try once I get an 8-stringer.
G
E
C
A
G
E
C (C#)
G (A)

Dennis

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 31 Oct 1999 8:39 am

I'm getting a lot of good melodies out of this tuning. It's a D13th with a high "chromatic" 9th:

E
F# (highest string)
D
B
A
F#
D
C

Lower it a step if you're more comfortable with a C tuning.

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Charlie Fullerton · Post by **Charlie Fullerton** » 5 Nov 1999 5:02 am

Hi David:
If your interest is Hawaiian, C6th may be the way go. If you subcribe to Hawaiian Steel Guitar Assoc. Quarterly, as I did until it became too pricy (through no fault of theirs), you will notice that all, or at least most, of their tabs are C6th.
Aloha, Charlie
P.S. The other side of that is the guy who used to be the Canadian Director of the H.S.G.A has a single, a double, and a triple; and he doesn't use C6th on any of them.[This message was edited by Charlie Fullerton on 11-05-99]

Al Terhune · Post by **Al Terhune** » 8 Nov 1999 2:17 pm

Hi David,

I just ordered the same guitar from Bobbe Seymour. Haven't gotten yet -- I'm fully expecting to love it, but how do you like yours?

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 22 Jan 2005 9:05 am

Hi B0b,

Are you still using this d13 th for 8 strings. Can you post some scale and grips that are good for melodies please.

Todd Weger · Post by **Todd Weger** » 22 Jan 2005 9:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If you are a guitar player just starting on steel E7 is easy to relate to: EBG#EDBG#E...If you want to play Hawaiian...I use C13: ECAGECBbC...Bb gives easy 7th chords and the low C is nice..just my 2 cents,
Aloha,
Mike<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That low C is really important, I think. When I first met Dick Sanft, he came over to my house, tried a few licks on my A6 neck, and asked if he could retune it. Then, he dropped that low string to a low C, and retuned it to C13 with a E on top. It made all the difference in tone for Hawaiian stuff, and I've used that ever since, though I prefer to get my 7th dominant chords with subs, and I like that A on string 7 for thicker minor 7th chords, so I often tune that Bb to A.

Aloha,
TJW

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 22 Jan 2005 8:35 pm

Wow - a 5-year-old topic!

I haven't played the D13 in the past year or two, but it's pretty straightforward. The middle 6 strings are just like the C6th lap steel, but raised one step for D6th.

Then I added the low b7 note, like on an E7th or E13th, but lowered a step for D13th.

The first string is a 9th tone, like the first string D of a modern C6th pedal steel, but raised a step for the D tuning.

The neat thing about D13th is that the timbre is close enough to C6th or E13th to pass for either. It's a great choice for old country and western music, where the players switch tunings a lot. The first string is really handy when I'm playing fast licks.

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HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 22 Jan 2005 10:12 pm

Wow - a 5-year-old topic!

and....your 5 year old picture....

Porter was a good character also. Miss him & the slingshot dog....

Ok, back to tunings......

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 23 Jan 2005 8:15 am

David .. one question firstly.. do you ALREADY play guitar ?
This would be VERY relevant to what tuning is reccomended..
Baz

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Robbie Daniels · Post by **Robbie Daniels** » 25 Jan 2005 7:51 am

I use the following tuning on one of my necks on my D8 Rickenbacker as mainly my main tuning. Top to bottom.
D
G
E
C
A
G
E
C

J Hill · Post by **J Hill** » 15 Nov 2005 7:08 pm

This is an all-too-obvious beginner question, but with all the different tunings...can you use the same tablature for all of them? Or how do you do this?

Andy Sandoval · Post by **Andy Sandoval** » 15 Nov 2005 8:15 pm

Leila, different tunings would require their own tab but C6 tab could be played on A6.

Charlie Fullerton · Post by **Charlie Fullerton** » 16 Nov 2005 6:29 am

I see my old comments have been unearthed -- still valid, I guess. I would like to add that I am currently "foolin' around" with a six-string B-11th (two more strings would be nice). Lots of chords! For the first time (on a six) I can find thing like " Song of the Islands", even "Moonglow"; I would recommend it for a second or third neck -- of course I haven't used it for long!

Ian · Post by **Ian** » 16 Nov 2005 8:59 am

Does anybody tune an 8 string lap with 2 chromatics on top?
F#
D#
G#
E
C#
B
G#
E

I'll bet one play some licks similar to the PSG - well....

Keith Cordell · Post by **Keith Cordell** » 17 Nov 2005 4:37 am

I tune mine B*E*B*E*G#*B*C#*E. Got it from Darick Campbell, and it's a lot of fun! The other neck on my National D8 is A6 Herb Remington style.

Donald Ruetenik · Post by **Donald Ruetenik** » 17 Nov 2005 6:04 pm

I called this, 'Chuck Fisher's Weirdo Tuning'. And I thought it was until he showed me the versitility of this formulation. Now I pick up the Lap that's tuned to it all the time. To me it's just fun to play.

E
B
D
E
G# (Drop the G# to G for the minor)
B
C#
E

Don Barnhardt · Post by **Don Barnhardt** » 17 Nov 2005 7:38 pm

These are some interesting tunings but a nice simple tuning is GECAGECA. Works well with Hawaiiain and western swing also country especially old Hank Williams songs. I use regular E9 strings minus the two bottom ones.