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b0b


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Post  Posted 30 Aug 2007 10:15 pm    
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Here's an idea. The classic jazz hexatonic scale might make a good steel tuning. It's made of two major chords a step apart. Here it is as an 8 string tuning (F and G), compared to Jerry Byrd's 7 string diatonic:
Tab:
hex   J.B.
 D     E
 C     C
 B     B
 A     A
 G     G
 F     F
 D     E
 C   

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Post  Posted 31 Aug 2007 6:32 am     Re: Hexatonic Tunings
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With E on top, it would have the notes of G major and A major chords:
Tab:

 E

 D
 C#
 B
 A
 G
 E
 D
   

Jazz musicians sometimes use a hexatonic scale to riff over a iim-V-I progression, because the notes in it work well in all 3 chords.
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John Kavanagh

 

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Post  Posted 31 Aug 2007 11:05 am    
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Huh. Now that's interesting. It didn't make sense until I started seeing it as an F-based tuning (or G in your second one).

For the first time, I miss my doubleneck, because I'd have to restring my single 8 to try that one.
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Chuck Fisher

 

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Post  Posted 2 Sep 2007 1:27 am    
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Or Em13 sus........

cool idea , learn "Maiden Voyage" on it, you'll freak out the jazz dudes.
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Post  Posted 2 Sep 2007 10:04 am    
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I find it easy to think of it as a dominant 11th chord: 1 3 5 b7 9 11. The 11th tone is often called sus4.

Putting them all in the same octave you get 1 2 3 4 5 b7. These are in the scale of the V7 chord of a progression. If you transpose them to the I chord (D in the A/G example above), you get 1 2 4 5 6 7.
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Papa Joe Pollick


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Swanton, Ohio
Post  Posted 2 Sep 2007 10:38 am    
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Funny thing,as I was droping off to sleep last night I was running different tunning ideas through my head,as usual.Then I get on the forum this morning and it seems others are doing like wise.Here's one I was thinking of,and wonering what the tunning name would be.
C
B
A
G
F
E
D
C
Is this a ditonic?
Might try it on the front neck of my Stringmaster..
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b0b


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Cloverdale, CA, USA
Post  Posted 2 Sep 2007 7:04 pm    
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Yes, that's a C Diatonic. Jerry Byrd's C Diatonic doesn't include the D string, probably because of the tuning conundrum it would have introduced. He was a real stickler for just intonation.

You can make it sound well tuned if you use the meantone method. Here are some +- cents numbers for your electronic tuner:
Tab:
C  +6
B  -9
A  -3
G  +3
F  +9
E  -6
D   0
C  +6

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John Bechtel


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Post  Posted 2 Sep 2007 7:36 pm    
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For it's comparative lack of usefulness, I'd just as soon drop the (D) from #7 and add the E to #1. C~E~F~G~A~B~C~E, especially with just 8-strings! With 10-strings, I'd consider C~D~E~F~G~A~B~C~E~D, but then; I'd drop that idea too! (and I did!) Actually, on 10-strings I'm using C~E~F~G~A~B~C~E~D~Fยกยกยกยก Actually with this setup, an 8-str. bar is quite sufficient also!
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John Kavanagh

 

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Post  Posted 3 Sep 2007 9:56 am    
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b0b wrote:
Jerry Byrd's C Diatonic doesn't include the D string, probably because of the tuning conundrum it would have introduced.


I've heard that, and I think I see the problems - you couldn't use the D with both the G and with the A, if everything else is tuned just. But since he used efgabc'e', I'm guessing it also helped him stay oriented, having the top two strings the same as in C6 tuning - or even the top 4, with an extra b thrown in. Even a great player probably liked having some points of reference.
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John Bechtel


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Post  Posted 3 Sep 2007 10:19 am    
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I think it makes orientation and learning the C-Diatonic much easier by thinking C6 with two extra strings (F) and (B) dividing it into three sections of two-strings each:
[C~E]~F~[G~A]~B~[C~E] or [--][--][--] = C6
Then on the other hand, you have four-fingers and a thumb!
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