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Topic: whats the differance ? |
Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 5:10 pm |
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i am working on Jeff Newmans heros series and my question is this : it gives the chorus and the verse what is the differance in them and are they played the same way ?? i know its a dumb question
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Tim Bridges
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Hoover, Alabama, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 5:59 pm
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Depends on how the song is laid out. Songs can be as simple as two chords where the verse and chorus are the same; maybe even the same melody. Then again, a song can be very complex where the verse and chorus are entirely different. Some songs contain a bridge, which is another progression relative to the key. I'm not familiar with this Jeff Newman program, but assume it might be an introductory level instructional course. Maybe everything I just wrote is $^&$@#*&. BUT, I didn't gpo to the ISGC and I'm bored!!  |
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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 6:29 pm
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thanks Tim
i know the chord progression is differant , maybe a better way of asking the question is why are the separated?? right now i am playing them pretty much the same way
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 8:12 pm
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Typically the chorus is stating the lyric theme of the song.
Typically it repeats the same thing is a few places of the song.
Often with a strong repeated hook.
Or a counter melodic bed of chord melody ususaly stronger in feel and volume than the verse.
The verse is telling the story of the song,
often with
a hook before or after or between lines.
most often a different part of the story each time.
But occasionally the 1st one is repeated as the last one.
But also often with a gently building
background filagre from the instruments.
In neither case is it busy so as to step on the vocal content.
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Real happiness has no strings attached.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 8:18 pm
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David
if i understand you right , i should be playing the chorus at a higher volume and a stronger feel than the verse
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Colin Mclean
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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
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Posted 1 Sep 2007 9:07 pm
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That sounds right to me.
For example in one song I might do nothing in the 1st verse, play a nice litle melody in the chorus, during the 2nd verse maybe throw in some short, choice little phrases in between the lyrics, do my thing again during the 2nd chorus, etc. Then during the last chorus expand on your usual chorus routine, maybe working in some of the phrases you did in the 2nd verse.
It's all about repetition, in pop music anyway. 
In the 1st verse of Neil Young's "Heart of Gold" you hear Ben Keith doing a little doublestop progression along with the acoustic guitar chords, like David said not too busy so as to distract from the vocals.
Then during the chorus, he lays back until Neil delivers the hook, "and I'm gettin' old", then throws in his own hook to drive it home. 2nd verse, he plays the same thing as the 1st verse only at a higher octave. 2nd chorus, same as the 1st chorus. Brilliant.
You can do whatever you want, as long as it makes sense in the context of the song. The best thing to do IMHO is listen to what other players do at certain points of a song and try to understand why they did it. Then make up your own stuff. |
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Nic du Toit
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Milnerton, Cape, South Africa
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Posted 2 Sep 2007 1:17 am
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In most songs (vocal) the Chorus part consists of a few lines of the same words being repeated.....the essence of the song. The opening verse(s) will be like an introduction the Chorus, and the inbetween verse(s) acts as a link. On the vocal versions you will notice that there are much more energy in the chorus bits (more instruments, more 'noise', if you like). So, when doing an instrumental version of a song, the 'chorus' part is normally played with more 'energy', or a little more volume.
In songs where there is little, if any, difference in the melody line of the chorus, you will have to make the listener 'hear' the chorus by the way you play it....... it's called 'delivery'....'expression'.....you get my drift?
A good forum question, the answer to which could fill a book !  |
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Tracy Sheehan
From:
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2007 1:31 am Learning.
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Calvin.As the old saying goes the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.I was playing fiddle in bands when i took up steel.On breaks i was always bugging the steel players to show me how they did that.lol.This was back in the big band days.A good steeler is always glad to help any one.They sure helped me.I started on non pedal.
I did have an advantage tho as i started on piano when i as 9 or 10 years old so when i started trying to learn steel i had the advantage
of knowing chords and theory.As i usualy say,those were the days my friend.Tracy |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2007 7:44 am
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thanks fellas
the one that is giving me fits is:
today i started loving you again.
it has the chorus first and i don't get why the chorus is first insted of the verse
as always a million thanks
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 2 Sep 2007 1:17 pm
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| Calvin Walley wrote: |
thanks fellas
the one that is giving me fits is:
today i started loving you again.
it has the chorus first and i don't get why the chorus is first insted of the verse
as always a million thanks |
It's a common arrangement trick, especially in pop music forms. Since the chorus usually hold the main hook for a song, using that hook in some modified fashion at the top of the tune is a good way to get maximum milage from it.
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Colin Mclean
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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
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Posted 2 Sep 2007 1:36 pm
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Twayn is right, a lot of songs do that.
The Beatles' "She Loves You", to name one. It's not modified there, though, but you get the idea. |
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