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I`m working on John Hughey`s version of "Hello Darlin",and can`t come close to getting the sustain and 'body'on those notes way up at the end of and above the fretboard.Is there one device,pedal or rackmount that is favored by the pros who can get that sound?
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Tom
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Tom
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That would be a push/pull... sigh...
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Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
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Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/
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Or a Carter !
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A compressor can help give you some "lift" for lack of a better term. However cheap compressors can add noise or degrade the tone to your sound - I have a Keeley compressor that I use mostly for guitar but sometimes I've used it with the steel and it makes the BOSS CS-2 and CS-3 pedals sound like toys.
Then there is the other end of the rainbow where you can get a studio rack compressor but it may be too smooth for the 'effect' you may be looking for.
There are good and bad issues with compressors so you have to find what works for you - but in the meantime, try a compressor - it should help you hold out the notes in tandem with your volume pedal.
There are of course a great many other issues that help get this sound including; guitar, bar, volume pedal, the players touch...etc
I'm sure there are a few other ways of getting what you want that others may want to share, this is just my idea/suggestion for you.
Then there is the other end of the rainbow where you can get a studio rack compressor but it may be too smooth for the 'effect' you may be looking for.
There are good and bad issues with compressors so you have to find what works for you - but in the meantime, try a compressor - it should help you hold out the notes in tandem with your volume pedal.
There are of course a great many other issues that help get this sound including; guitar, bar, volume pedal, the players touch...etc
I'm sure there are a few other ways of getting what you want that others may want to share, this is just my idea/suggestion for you.
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John doesn't play a Carter, he currently plays a Zum, but Howdy Darlin' was a p/p...
And yes, John sounds great whatever he plays...
And yes, John sounds great whatever he plays...
Mikey D... H.S.P.
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/
I think that a guitar either has the high notes or it doesn't. My Williams sure does! I've played guitars that died on the high notes. Something to do with the construction. Maybe the Tommy Young mod would fix it.
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I think Bob nails it...A lot of times, the area above the 12th fret is what makes or breaks a guitar for me. Lots of guitars sound good down low. And it doesn't seem to brand-specific. For example, I have played PP's that sang up there, and others that didn't make it at all...
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I agree with everybody that posted above, however, the distance between the pick-up magnets and the strings will have a huge effect on tone and sustain. Many used guitars had pick-up replacements that were not properly adjusted or the previous owner fooled around with the adjustment screws of the origional pick-ups. Steel players are known for that.
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Even with great technique, some players are at a disadvantage because of their guitar. Before I had my Sho Bud rebuilt, it flat out sucked above the 12th fret. Horrible overtones, dead notes, etc. After it got new changers/fingers, it sang like it was supposed to all along.b0b wrote:I think that a guitar either has the high notes or it doesn't. My Williams sure does! I've played guitars that died on the high notes. Something to do with the construction. Maybe the Tommy Young mod would fix it.
However, I'll agree that the best guitar in the world isn't a substitute for great technique.
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Hey, I'd like to know of any gizmos - or racks of stuff - that would give it, but I doubt they exist.
I have had some that I could pull it out of, and some I couldn't - it was not brand or design dependent. I've had some push-pulls - one that definitely had it, and one that definitely didn't. The first was a Bobby Bowman tweaked guitar, the other I got out of a guy's basement after sitting for several years. My guess is that properly tweaked, they can all have it.
But I have an old rack-and-barrel Bud that definitely has it in spades (no pun intended), and a Carter that sings beautifully up there. The Zum and Legrande sound very good, but still need some tweaking, I think. I think pickups and their adjustment can affect things, but I also think the bigger issue is mechanical/vibrational. It's a forced vibrational system - it's the interaction of the player with the instrument that matters, eh?
Hey, I think the theme park idea is a good one.
I have had some that I could pull it out of, and some I couldn't - it was not brand or design dependent. I've had some push-pulls - one that definitely had it, and one that definitely didn't. The first was a Bobby Bowman tweaked guitar, the other I got out of a guy's basement after sitting for several years. My guess is that properly tweaked, they can all have it.
But I have an old rack-and-barrel Bud that definitely has it in spades (no pun intended), and a Carter that sings beautifully up there. The Zum and Legrande sound very good, but still need some tweaking, I think. I think pickups and their adjustment can affect things, but I also think the bigger issue is mechanical/vibrational. It's a forced vibrational system - it's the interaction of the player with the instrument that matters, eh?
Hey, I think the theme park idea is a good one.
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Tommy young mod
Actually that's one of the main things Tommy's mod's do, is increase sustain up high on the neck. I've heard Dale Stacy's guitar before and after the mod. it works! Yea, I know, let's don't beat the poor ole horse no more.Maybe the Tommy Young mod would fix it.
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I have to say my Carter sd10 has great sustain all the way up the neck.It's the same whether its plugged into an amp or played acoustically.I think if the steel (whatever the brand) sings when played acoustically,it's going to do the same when plugged into an amp, regardless of the pickup.Obviously different pickups do sound different from each other,but I don't think they have a lot to do with improving sustain.
Of course I could be completely wrong
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"A Carter in Hugheyland"I have to say my Carter sd10 has great sustain all the way up the neck.
Lots of good posts....good thread!
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